The Dark Knight Rises

[RFUS]

He just makes everything so damn well! It drives me crazy!

Off to see Blue Valentine tomorrow. It looks like it has all the key components to be a prefect relationship drama. That Michelle Williams is a flawless actress.

I want to see that myself. It's got fantastic reviews. I never pay too much attention to reviews, mind, but I'm getting the impression it's a well-written piece of cinema with a real emotional punch. I'm hoping it lives up to the hype.

 

[McBain]

You must be kidding.

Nolan is certainly the man to call if you want a big blockbuster to rake in the dollar, for now. But Aronofsky make absolutely beautiful film. If you didn't see what he was doing in The Fountian then I genuinely feel sorry for you.

You're right about Fincher mind, a little much at times, but when his heads in the game he is in that top ban of film makers at present

Well, thats just your opinion Pete, as is mine.

Is Batman a blockbuster franchise, beloved by millions, or is it an arthouse film, beloved by A couple of people sipping soy lates in converted warehouses? Theres no reason to give Aronofsky money because he has a track record of not making any.

And thats show, but certainly aint business.

I'm way too old to read comic books, but I do love a good graphic novel.

You would'nt want to put that much money into a film maker only certain people 'get'. I did get The Fountain. I got bored. You may think he's the best thing since sliced bread, but he's nowhere near Nolan or Fincher. The Prestige, Zodiac, Inception, Memento, The Dark Knight, Panic Room, Fight Club...they entertain and they make money. The two sides of the coin you MUST embrace to stay alive in this game.

 

[RFUS]

Well, thats just your opinion Pete, as is mine.

Is Batman a blockbuster franchise, beloved by millions, or is it an arthouse film, beloved by A couple of people sipping soy lates in converted warehouses? Theres no reason to give Aronofsky money because he has a track record of not making any money.

And thats show, but certainly aint business.

I'm way too old to read comic books, but I do love a good graphic novel.

You would'nt want to put that much money into a film maker only certain people 'get'. I did get The Fountain. I got bored. You may think he's the best thing since sliced bread, but he's nowhere near Nolan or Fincher. The Prestige, Zodiac, Inception, Memento, The Dark Knight, Panic Room, Fight Club...they entertain and make they money. The two sides of the coin you MUST embrace to stay alive in this game.

Well to be fair mate, you raise some good points, but most consumers care not for box office ratings. They care about how much they enjoy the film.

Personally, I've enjoyed Aronofsky's films more. But they're both fantastic in their own way really, so I don't see the need for this. There's too few good directors out there to be belittling the good ones!




P.S. Is there a certified difference between comic books and graphics novels? Either way, I don't think you can be "too old" for either.

 

[McBain]

Well to be fair mate, you raise some good points, but most consumers care not for box office ratings. They care about how much they enjoy the film.

Personally, I've enjoyed Aronofsky's films more. But they're both fantastic in their own way really, so I don't see the need for this. There's too few good directors out there to be belittling the good ones!




P.S. Is there a certified difference between comic books and graphics novels? Either way, I don't think you can be "too old" for either.

Haha Im not sure, I can't claim to be an expert on the subject so I wouldn't know!

I just love a good Tintin, me.

I do like Aronofsky, The Wrestler was really superb. Just reading some reviews of Black Swan, and it does sound like good, dark, psycological character study.

The reason i'm not overly thrilled for him to helm a franchise like Batman, is because the wrong man or woman, will inherantly end up damaging a film like this. The same with James Bonds, no matter how serious, they end pretty camp.

 

[RFUS]

Haha Im not sure, I can't claim to be an expert on the subject so I wouldn't know!

I just love a good Tintin, me.

I do like Aronofsky, The Wrestler was really superb. Just reading some reviews of Black Swan, and it does sound like good, dark, psycological character study.

The reason i'm not overly thrilled for him to helm a franchise like Batman, is because the wrong man or woman, will inherantly end up damaging a film like this. The same with James Bonds, no matter how serious, they end pretty camp.

That's a valid concern, mate. One I share too. But Aronovsky's track record is pretty stellar. He's full of ideas, and he knows how to do character studies, so it could be a new, but equally fantastic take on the Batman. Perhaps he'll delve into Batman himself a bit more, because Bale/Nolan's Batman is fairly shallow tbh.

 

[Dylan]

Hang on, what am I missing??? Where does Aronofsky come into this?

 

[Jeepdeans]

Moyes as the Riddler, Fellaini as the Mad Hatter -

 

[NickEFC]

New poster, but because I'm so disheartened by the club I love I thought I'd straight down your alehouse.

So, it's the third and final of Nolan' take on Batman is starting to gather pace and casting was announced yesterday for the roles of Catwoman and Bane, to be played by Hathaway and Hardy.

It was no secret Hardy was attached to the project, it's been known he was going to play a villain for some time now. But Bane? Bane was completely unnecessary in Batman and Robin and was just an awful choice. Hopefully he will be used in a far more subtle manner. I don't worry about Harvey though, he was one of the many delightful surprise packages of Inception.

However Hathaway as Catwoman, imo, leaves alot to be desired. First of all the character of Catwoman wasn't really on my radar as a Nolan type of character. He always seemed to tackle crime in a very realistic light, from a comic book adaptation anyway. Also there is Hathaway, she just doesn't seem damaged enough for me. I would have liked to of seen him team up with Marion Cotillard again maybe.

All things said, his casting is usually spot on and I remember a few furrowed brows when he announced Ledger as The Joker, apart from his diet of prescription pharmaceuticals and Gin he didn't do too bad, did he.
One things for sure, now that Nolan is stepping back from the franchise I'm super excited about the Aronofsky rumours the he will have a crack at it!

I actually thought his performance was good, but only got bigged up the way it did because he snuffed it.
Hathaway wouldn't be my choice, but if she pulls this off, fair play.
The lad playing Bane is a terrific actor, so I hope they don't dumb down the character too much like they did in Batman & Robin.

 

[Summerskin]

Lay off the moral set pieces which overloaded The Dark Knight & get Christian Bale to look interested again and we might get a good film.

 

[PeteCampbell]

Lay off the moral set pieces which overloaded The Dark Knight & get Christian Bale to look interested again and we might get a good film.

Agreed, the thrid act was a tad silly. Didn't think they needed the whole good guys on one boat and bad guys on another, each has a chance to save themselves by sacrificing the other. Guess what, big bad guy has a heart and throws the detonator out the window while law abiding citizens contemplate sacrificing the convicts. What a ****ing shock!

 

[milks]

You must be kidding.

Nolan is certainly the man to call if you want a big blockbuster to rake in the dollar, for now. But Aronofsky make absolutely beautiful film. If you didn't see what he was doing in The Fountian then I genuinely feel sorry for you.

You're right about Fincher mind, a little much at times, but when his heads in the game he is in that top ban of film makers at present

Before Batman Begins, Nolan was just another Aronofsky. Well shot mid budget artsy focused stuff. I've no doubt that Aronofsky can pull off the marquee movies he's being linked with. My concern is in his casting choices though - neither Rachel Weisz nor Natalie Portman are particularly good actresses and have been his choice as leading ladies.

 

[RFUS]

Before Batman Begins, Nolan was just another Aronofsky. Well shot mid budget artsy focused stuff. I've no doubt that Aronofsky can pull off the marquee movies he's being linked with. My concern is in his casting choices though - neither Rachel Weisz nor Natalie Portman are particularly good actresses and have been his choice as leading ladies.

Natalie Portman was spectacularly good in "Black Swan". If you've seen that film then I really don't think you could say she's not a good actress with a straight face.

It was an incredibly hard role to play, both physically and in terms of range, but she fully realised it and helped to make that the mindblowingly good film it is.

 

[PeteCampbell]

Before Batman Begins, Nolan was just another Aronofsky. Well shot mid budget artsy focused stuff. I've no doubt that Aronofsky can pull off the marquee movies he's being linked with. My concern is in his casting choices though - neither Rachel Weisz nor Natalie Portman are particularly good actresses and have been his choice as leading ladies.

I must admit, I really like Portman. She has range and is leagues ahead of the likes of Diaz imo. I think DA does really well with casting tbh. Look at Requiem; the only time Leto doesn't want to make you punch the screen, he actually gets you to forget that Wayans brother is actually a Wayans brother, plus Jennifer Connely rocks the **** in that film.

Also The Wrestler, never have I seen a comeback like that of Rourke, in fact, I think I even refer to that comeback everytime I am describing a comeback, and the casting of Tomei, beautiful! Who'd of thought eh?!

 

[milks]

I must admit, I really like Portman. She has range and is leagues ahead of the likes of Diaz imo. I think DA does really well with casting tbh. Look at Requiem; the only time Leto doesn't want to make you punch the screen, he actually gets you to forget that Wayans brother is actually a Wayans brother, plus Jennifer Connely rocks the **** in that film.

Also The Wrestler, never have I seen a comeback like that of Rourke, in fact, I think I even refer to that comeback everytime I am describing a comeback, and the casting of Tomei, beautiful! Who'd of thought eh?!

I'll reserve judgement on her performance in Black Swan until I've seen it, but she's been nothing but wooden in several recent performances : Closer, V for Vendetta particularly. I'll forgive her Star Wars 1-3 due to George Lucas not being an 'actor's director'.

Agree 100% with you on Requiem, and the Wrestler. Though the latter was more on him taking a punt on his leading man, I always thought Rourke had that performance in him following his standout turn in Once Upon A Time... Marisa Tomei is developing into a great actress, have you seen Before the Devil Knows? She was outstanding in that.

Perhaps I'm a little clouded as I don't rate Portman or Wiesz personally. Loving the diversity of this forum though, such a relief from the other Everton forums.

 

[Summerskin]

Agreed, the thrid act was a tad silly. Didn't think they needed the whole good guys on one boat and bad guys on another, each has a chance to save themselves by sacrificing the other. Guess what, big bad guy has a heart and throws the detonator out the window while law abiding citizens contemplate sacrificing the convicts. What a ****ing shock!

Bingo.

Typical american schlock, that was.

I thought Batman Begins was mint, though.