The close to mythical Everton's Youth System

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Revealed as nothing more than a myth then.

http://www.sportingintelligence.com...rs-for-clubs-in-europes-elite-leagues-131201/

Ridiculous numbers in there, seeing us beat by Villa, Newcastle, Leeds and Southampton in England among others, and Atalanta, Monaco, 1860 Munchen, Freiburg etc in Europe's 'big 5'.
Funny how Boca Juniors and River Plate have 15 players and 13 players respectively produced for Europe's big 5 while we have 7 when we're playing in one of the big 5 and they're on another continent even.
 
"It should be stressed: these figures only relate to current first-team players in the ‘Big 5′ divisions in Europe; players who were at the ‘producing’ clubs for at least 3 years between 15 and 21, and have played league football for one of the current 98 clubs this season."
 
Quite. Over the past 20 years we've produced very few England players. Rooney is the only regular international to come from our youth ranks.

Unsworth and Jeffers were one cap wonders (as might Osman eventually prove to be), whilst Rodwell remains an enigma.

Not really a great return over that period of time is it?

That table also reveals that we don't even produce that many PL standard players. It's a real shame as this is an area that could help us close the gap, but we're just not producing players of a high enough standard.
 
"It should be stressed: these figures only relate to current first-team players in the ‘Big 5′ divisions in Europe; players who were at the ‘producing’ clubs for at least 3 years between 15 and 21, and have played league football for one of the current 98 clubs this season."

If you look at how many England internationals with more than 5 caps produced by us compared to other PL sides in the last 20 years it's hardly a glowing testament to our success. England recognition is key really as it's that level of player that will make a difference to us progressing.
 
"It should be stressed: these figures only relate to current first-team players in the ‘Big 5′ divisions in Europe; players who were at the ‘producing’ clubs for at least 3 years between 15 and 21, and have played league football for one of the current 98 clubs this season."

So for example Rooney would go down as a Man Utd player as he was there player 18-21?

So its a load of ****e really. Arsenal feature heavily as they buy a lot of 16-17 year olds who have been developed at other clubs such as

Fabregas, Walcott, Oxlade Chamberlin, Jenkinson, Ramsey.

Really, its just another financial league. Who can buy the best young talent?
 
So for example Rooney would go down as a Man Utd player as he was there player 18-21?

So its a load of ****e really. Arsenal feature heavily as they buy a lot of 16-17 year olds who have been developed at other clubs such as

Fabregas, Walcott, Oxlade Chamberlin, Jenkinson, Ramsey.

Really, its just another financial league. Who can buy the best young talent?

No, they do explain this in the article. Those players are counted as secondary players. So Rooney for instance counts as a primary player for us, and a secondary player for United.
 
It's because every time we get a player through he gets called 'the next rooney' and then flops on his arse
 
Revealed as nothing more than a myth then.
::rant alert::

The new elite status classification for our youth setup will help improve these numbers. We can recruit nationally which obviously opens up the access to talent and in theory provides more opportunity to secure great players.

You can also argue that developing a Rooney is more valuable than developing four second-choice players (who might sell for 2-3m each) who are technically employed as "big five" footballers.

If we're into debunking myths however ... why not debunk a *real* myth:

Villa, West Ham, Newcastle, Southampton, Leeds and Reading are ahead (or tied) with us. Sunderland, Middlesbrough, Sheffield United and Blackburn are close enough that it makes no difference.

So after you got upset about them being "ahead of us" did you stop to think that none of those clubs are really ahead of us where it matters? For those teams ahead of us why hasn't their "better" focus on youth made them a better team than us? Or if they "cashed in" then why haven't the funds they got from selling these players to bigger clubs helped them (you could argue it helped Newcastle last year but that is looking increasingly like the one-hit wonder most of us expected)?

I'm not suggesting we give up on youth -- the elite status is a very good accomplishment and should help us push on. However anyone expecting this to be some cure-all will be bitterly disappointed. Villa have been twice as good at us (according to this) at developing youth and yet they are still Villa. So we could double our performance and be as good as ... Villa!

It's a piece of the puzzle no doubt. If you combine better youth with a superior player acquisition strategy (which we have had compared with most teams) it will help.

That said the youth market is a little bit more like the senior player market than most people want to admit. Barca do a great job no doubt but a lot is self-fulfilling -- the best players want to play there. Arsenal have purchased a lot of their "youth setup." They added approx. 50% to their score with secondary players -- we have 0 secondary players. They'd actually be below Villa (also zero secondary) without the secondary credit. Barca don't have a lot of secondary but they are getting pretty much first choice at everyone anyway and filling up their spots to the point they don't need to (can't?) go that route. The second tier of elite clubs (like Arsenal) get first choice at the players they all missed a few years ago and the third tier get (practically) none.

You have to develop (or purchase) players who are better than your existing players. If our players are mostly 5th-6th in the Prem players (with a few CL players) we need to develop CL players from our youth system and retain them. The players we sell (if we assume we will only sell non-CL talent level players) need to pay for CL talent if we want to get better. Otherwise we are just treading water by exchanging one average player for another average player (which is what all those "sell to buy" teams do every year and never get anywhere).

Even worse is when you exchange one elite player for multiple average players (we're better at transfers than most clubs but we've done this). We already have average players -- adding more doesn't help (aside from bench quality but that is more crisis prevention than progress). You could develop twenty average prem players and be near the top of that chart and never progress because they are all average. The club might make a tidy profit but that does its fans no good.

Elite status will improve us but without good management at every level it means you can very easily waste whatever advantage (which is likely smaller than people think) it provides. If you're lucky enough to develop a great player you also have to retain them -- selling elite players to buy average players is failure and prevents progress. Sounds obvious but every team above us on that list (and us) do it every single year. Quality not quantity is the key.
 
I do think a lot of these things are cyclicle. The last Everton team to win the FA Youth Cup contained many players who went on to have good careers in the game: Hibbert, Osman, Dunne (many international caps) and Jeffers probably the highest profile but the likes of Jevons, Cadamateri and a few others are still hanging about the lower leagues. Ball was part of that crew also but was around the first team.
We have brought the likes of Rooney and Rodwell through but Colin Harvey was an inspirational youth coach and along with scouts like Ray Hall and Mick Doherty they are a tough act to follow.
 
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