I’m convinced I watched Indiana Jones on a quest for this.
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Same old same old poster's still thinking the earth is flat we have left the EU stop arguing and get on with it if it goes wrong we will have to have another referendum .... which I doubt very much - we have not even entered negotiations as yet FGS....... doom doom and more Doom ......
Name names Joey, call them out.
Just look at the list today - I've been trolledlol
I know you’re confident it’ll be great and I really hope you’re right , not to Labour the point but if you Could just articulate why you think that with actual reasons you’d help all us lot get on board with you .
I would say called out rather than trolled
I'm starting to think that you might not be able to list any actual laws you want overturned, but that surely can't be true for such an august horticulturist and managerial giant who struggled under their impact every day.
Glad you could make it Joey.
I really don't think you can find 25,000 "Bad" laws there. There is a danger that each EU Commissioner wants to justify his or her existence by legislating for something. That does not mean that what is provided for is wrong, or not for the greater good. Certainly things can get over complicated, and there is no harm in trying to simplify things from time to time.
If you want to see impenetrable laws, look at children's social care where Acts of parliament are amended year after year, with layer upon layer of new and amending regulations, then statutory guidance, and non-statutory guidance and circulars and letters. There used to be statutory guidance called Working Together and another volume dealing with the assessment of children in need. Cameron's government decided to put them into one volume, and cut out a great deal of important provisions which had helped ensure vulnerable children did not fall through the cracks. It is a shambles. And there is not a word from the EU in any of it.
dead_soft
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What about the EU law against trolling Joey66? Is that not still in place?
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From our friends at the Council of Europe:
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www.coe.int
"Cyber hate
The Council of Europe has adopted the only international legal instrument in this field – the Additional Protocol to the Convention on Cybercrime. The given definition on callings of hatred nature includes all the forms of expression, which share, encourage, promote or justify race hatred, xenophobia, anti-Semitism or every other form of hatred based on intolerance including aggressive nationalism, ethnocentrism, discrimination and hostility of minorities, emigrants or persons of foreign origin.
The creation of a unified standard definition, either for the best implementation of the legislative measures or regarding legal studies and discussions, and further more; must answer the question: what is cybercrime and above all: which are the motives behind this offence.
The typical characteristics of the cyber hate groups are the same as the traditional ideological groups, following the same ideological basis. These groups are presented as communities distanced from the rest of the society, because of the covert information or discoveries unrecognized from the others; which in turn are considered oppressed from the obligatory norms of the society. By being positioned as distanced from the society, divided by the mass, bearing in mind the principle “we against them”, frequently aggressive actions are considered as self-defence to prevent the assimilation by the society. These groups keep functioning by creating a unique discernible identity, by constructing a certain image and by justifying extreme actions with outside provocations or external stalking.
The core action of these groups is the sharing of information (incorrect or misrepresentation), their extremist points of view and key ideological messages. The Internet provides the outlet for the information sharing and the reduction of logistical and financial costs. Many of messages are directed to the other social groups, in order to collect supporters, especially easily vulnerable individuals or groups. A number of messages are transmitted indirectly, hidden by images, sounds, or not easily discernible ideological forms, aiming to avoid censorship till they reach the target. This recruiting function is considered as one of the fundamental functions of these groups, who through these inwards focused messages, intend to consolidate a collective conscience.
In difference from the above mentioned groups, who act in a wider scale and have an authentic organization, the new element of the internet and recently, of the social media has caused the formation of a number of actions directed against a certain individual, where the author may not have a certain motivation, a reason or a benefit from it.
Within the society, there have always been persons of negative or aggressive tendencies, who are presented in certain moments and are justified with different motives such as: jealousy, ambition, and complex of inferiority or simply the absence of social norms. In the past, this behaviour: the attacks, the aggressiveness, or the stalking was physically expressed, bringing serious consequences; on the other side this physical nature of confrontation, caused many individuals to hold back and not reflected their negative side, because of a number of inhibitory factors. With the development of the Internet, is not important to be physically strong or quick, is enough to possess a computer system and the desire to attack. The epidemic of this online attack, masked by a veil of anonymity, has given the opportunity to each individual to express every kind of negative emotion, without any consequences.
The expression of this hate on the Internet has different forms, but the most widespread categories are trolling and cyber bullying. Cyber bullying, in cases when happens among adults (over 18) will be considered cyber harassment or cyber stalking. Because of the peculiarity of the subject (minors under 18) the second part of the material will be concentrated on cyber bullying, although we are presenting other forms of cyber hate.
Trolling(interference for amusement)
In the academic literature is considered as a “delusive, intercessory and destructive action in social groups on the internet, without any obvious scope or motive”, in spite of the perverse pleasure of the individual (which is defined as “troll”). In practice, this term is made a part of the slang of this century, being used for every type of interference from unidentified persons. On the Internet a “troll” means a person who encourages discussions and conflict on the internet, by starting debates or by annoying individuals, through absurd comments, out of theme or simply of provoking nature within a group or on line community. The aim of the post is to encourage the readers in an emotional answer or merely create an interruption of the normal discussion, simply for personal amusement.
The etymological origin of this term dates in years 1980, deriving from the Scandinavian folk legends, where a troll was a kind of ugly, asocial giant, who hampered the journey of the travellers.
“Trolling” as a verb, initially meant a fishing technique and as an idiom was used by the American army during the Vietnam War. The verb usage in the context of the virtual communication means a technique initially used to track young people or non-members of a certain circle or community.
Nowadays the figure of troll is equalized with online harassment, although in spite of usage in the bad sense of the word, often a troll serves to bring into light weak points of a discussion, or the encouragement of critical sense.
Online trolling is also considered as a demonstration of deviant behaviours of certain individuals, who profit pleasure by annoying others. Although this term is widely spread and it is an integral part of internet, a very few studies are done, maybe this is because of the absence of a correct definition, or because the concept is still in the process of development. Initially, online trolling was distanced from other illegal or unruly behaviours, because there was no motive or specific intent behind it, simply individual pleasure – actually considered an absurd definition because the lack of intention becomes an intention in itself. Even inside the sub culture of trolls there are some distinct categories: like those directed against public or political figures, by making ironical or humorous comments, trolls which are involved in social groups without an evident intention, etc.
The trolls create some issues which influence the online community in several ways:
- They spread false or injurious advice, counsel and opinions, by doing so damaging the trust within the online community
- They damage the open debates, created to support certain social groups or dealing with public sensitive causes.
- Certain sponsors use trolls to spread information, to manipulate the public opinion or to damage their opposing groups for political, economic or social reasons.
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From our friends at the Council of Europe:
Blog
"Cyber hate
The Council of Europe has adopted the only international legal instrument in this field – the Additional Protocol to the Convention on Cybercrime. The given definition on callings of hatred nature includes all the forms of expression, which share, encourage, promote or justify race hatred, xenophobia, anti-Semitism or every other form of hatred based on intolerance including aggressive nationalism, ethnocentrism, discrimination and hostility of minorities, emigrants or persons of foreign origin.
The creation of a unified standard definition, either for the best implementation of the legislative measures or regarding legal studies and discussions, and further more; must answer the question: what is cybercrime and above all: which are the motives behind this offence.
The typical characteristics of the cyber hate groups are the same as the traditional ideological groups, following the same ideological basis. These groups are presented as communities distanced from the rest of the society, because of the covert information or discoveries unrecognized from the others; which in turn are considered oppressed from the obligatory norms of the society. By being positioned as distanced from the society, divided by the mass, bearing in mind the principle “we against them”, frequently aggressive actions are considered as self-defence to prevent the assimilation by the society. These groups keep functioning by creating a unique discernible identity, by constructing a certain image and by justifying extreme actions with outside provocations or external stalking.
The core action of these groups is the sharing of information (incorrect or misrepresentation), their extremist points of view and key ideological messages. The Internet provides the outlet for the information sharing and the reduction of logistical and financial costs. Many of messages are directed to the other social groups, in order to collect supporters, especially easily vulnerable individuals or groups. A number of messages are transmitted indirectly, hidden by images, sounds, or not easily discernible ideological forms, aiming to avoid censorship till they reach the target. This recruiting function is considered as one of the fundamental functions of these groups, who through these inwards focused messages, intend to consolidate a collective conscience.
In difference from the above mentioned groups, who act in a wider scale and have an authentic organization, the new element of the internet and recently, of the social media has caused the formation of a number of actions directed against a certain individual, where the author may not have a certain motivation, a reason or a benefit from it.
Within the society, there have always been persons of negative or aggressive tendencies, who are presented in certain moments and are justified with different motives such as: jealousy, ambition, and complex of inferiority or simply the absence of social norms. In the past, this behaviour: the attacks, the aggressiveness, or the stalking was physically expressed, bringing serious consequences; on the other side this physical nature of confrontation, caused many individuals to hold back and not reflected their negative side, because of a number of inhibitory factors. With the development of the Internet, is not important to be physically strong or quick, is enough to possess a computer system and the desire to attack. The epidemic of this online attack, masked by a veil of anonymity, has given the opportunity to each individual to express every kind of negative emotion, without any consequences.
The expression of this hate on the Internet has different forms, but the most widespread categories are trolling and cyber bullying. Cyber bullying, in cases when happens among adults (over 18) will be considered cyber harassment or cyber stalking. Because of the peculiarity of the subject (minors under 18) the second part of the material will be concentrated on cyber bullying, although we are presenting other forms of cyber hate.
Trolling(interference for amusement)
In the academic literature is considered as a “delusive, intercessory and destructive action in social groups on the internet, without any obvious scope or motive”, in spite of the perverse pleasure of the individual (which is defined as “troll”). In practice, this term is made a part of the slang of this century, being used for every type of interference from unidentified persons. On the Internet a “troll” means a person who encourages discussions and conflict on the internet, by starting debates or by annoying individuals, through absurd comments, out of theme or simply of provoking nature within a group or on line community. The aim of the post is to encourage the readers in an emotional answer or merely create an interruption of the normal discussion, simply for personal amusement.
The etymological origin of this term dates in years 1980, deriving from the Scandinavian folk legends, where a troll was a kind of ugly, asocial giant, who hampered the journey of the travellers.
“Trolling” as a verb, initially meant a fishing technique and as an idiom was used by the American army during the Vietnam War. The verb usage in the context of the virtual communication means a technique initially used to track young people or non-members of a certain circle or community.
Nowadays the figure of troll is equalized with online harassment, although in spite of usage in the bad sense of the word, often a troll serves to bring into light weak points of a discussion, or the encouragement of critical sense.
Online trolling is also considered as a demonstration of deviant behaviours of certain individuals, who profit pleasure by annoying others. Although this term is widely spread and it is an integral part of internet, a very few studies are done, maybe this is because of the absence of a correct definition, or because the concept is still in the process of development. Initially, online trolling was distanced from other illegal or unruly behaviours, because there was no motive or specific intent behind it, simply individual pleasure – actually considered an absurd definition because the lack of intention becomes an intention in itself. Even inside the sub culture of trolls there are some distinct categories: like those directed against public or political figures, by making ironical or humorous comments, trolls which are involved in social groups without an evident intention, etc.
The trolls create some issues which influence the online community in several ways:
Persons, who are not familiar with this technique, may find themselves in difficult situations, so often the best advice is ignoring the comment, or the situation will become worse. The basic principle of communication in such cases remains: “Do not feed the trolls!"
- They spread false or injurious advice, counsel and opinions, by doing so damaging the trust within the online community
- They damage the open debates, created to support certain social groups or dealing with public sensitive causes.
- Certain sponsors use trolls to spread information, to manipulate the public opinion or to damage their opposing groups for political, economic or social reasons.
So the EU tried to combat trolls?
Unlucky @Joey66 they could have saved you.
The same posters in the EU or out thread no surprise there who are remainers defying we have left with the same rhetoric......
Even if when we leave and do magnificent they would still moan about leaving the EU.....
allezlesbleus
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Strictly speaking the Council of Europe is a different organisation from the EU although I think all the EU members are also members of the Council of Europe. The EU having a body called the Council of the European Union leads to the confusion.
The Council of Europe is more to do with human rights and social affairs rather than economics and political union. Just to add to the confusion the European Parliament, when it has its session meets in the Council of Europe building in Strasbourg. Or at least it used to. Not sure if still the case.
Bishop Thumpety-Thump
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Guess we can add the concept of trolling to the long list of things you're unable to comprehend.
Looking forward to receiving a middle finger for this post!
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