The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

Who will you be voting for?

  • Tory

    Votes: 38 9.9%
  • Diet Tory (Labour)

    Votes: 132 34.3%
  • Tory Zero (Greens)

    Votes: 44 11.4%
  • Extra Tory with lemon (UKIP)

    Votes: 40 10.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 9 2.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 31 8.1%
  • Cheese on toast

    Votes: 91 23.6%

  • Total voters
    385
  • Poll closed .
Status
Not open for further replies.
Still comes down to voting for the ones you dislike the least, which really is no way to run a so called 'democracy', even Plato recognised that 'democracy' was the least worst means of governance. You'd think in the way the world has theoretically progressed we could have devised a more tolerant and considerate method of running society.

It is a sham really. The whole thing is so polarised these days that the party/s that lose an election often spend the next 5 years doing nothing but undermine the winning party. It's no surprise that nothing really gets done. There was a feeling a few years ago that the Washington Consensus was triumphing as the preferred means of government around the world, but the reality has turned out rather differently.

The leading lights in governance nowadays are certainly not coming from big, western countries. Singapore have been hugely influential for instance, and have played a big role in how China have tried to do things. Within Europe, Sweden and Norway have both innovated successfully.

I'm reading an interesting book at the moment that compares the way governments do things around the world, and they highlight four main issues with the way the western democracies operate:

  1. They have a belief that everything should be done in-house. The comparison is with the old days of Ford and GM in the 30s, where they would be hugely vertically integrated, and run everything from the logging firms that gave them wood to the sheep farms that gave them the wool for their seats. This belief that the state should both pay for and provide everything is not how the modern world works.
  2. Decision making is too centralized. You'd like to think that the Scottish referendum has opened up the debate on this and that a whole lot of power will be given to local authorities. With an election looming however, there's a risk it will be put onto the pending pile to gather dust. The world as a whole requires adaptability, as change is happening so fast. The best way to be adaptable is to make decisions nearest to the information that underpins them.
  3. A fixation with uniformity of supply. We've seen this in various threads here on GOT. There must be equality, with everyone given the same thing. It's mass production thinking in a world that is uniformly customized. We're living in an age now of flexible production and consumer choice.
  4. An aversion to change. The whole Yes Minister thing writ large, that too much effort is put into maintaining the status quo. Indeed, one of the few things that is likely to get you the sack is trying to upset the apple cart. It suggests this is a big reason why there is so much variance within public service. Why a hospital in one part of the country is so very different to one in another part, both in terms of its costs and the quality of service. For instance, if you reduced the spending of the most expensive hospitals down to the mean from across the country, that alone would save £15 billion. In other words, much more needs to be done to ensure best practice spreads, and spreads rapidly.
Is our democracy really working? Is it the best way to do the job its intended to do?
 
Just remember, whenever Nick Clegg says anything about saving money or austerity. This is his home

rRSYZVU.png

Ed Miliband has a similar one in north London #justsaying
 
I can actually see the Tories getting back in, as horrifying as it sounds. I remember the 87 election, everyone hated them but they still got back in. Most people who vote Tory are embarrassed to admit it so you never truly know how popular they are, but most people who hate them voice it giving the impression they have no support.
As for the next election, there idiot supporters will all be turning out for them and everyone else who hates them will be split 4 ways.
1 not voting, which is a lot more people than it use to be i think?. 2 a vote on a party that wont stop the Tories. 3 voting Labour because you believe in them, which is a decreasing number. 4 even thou you cant take them serious anymore also voting Labour in the hope they win just because you want the Tories out.
 
I can actually see the Tories getting back in, as horrifying as it sounds.
I wouldn't rule out a Labour win as unrealistic as it sounds because they now have David Axelrod. I expect to see billboards up and down the country with pictures of disabled people with the caption: David Cameron forced me to choose between food and heating last winter or a picture of a sad-looking child with the caption: I am hungry because David Cameron cut my family's benefits. Remember, this is the guy who successfully painted Romney as a murderer allowing Obama a landslide victory, the man is a genius lol

 
Migrants to rich countries often spend longer in education than their native-born peers, so says data from The Economist.

Language and citizenship training included?
Bogus colleges to get around Visa problems included?

Power Bruce, "When was the last time any ruling bloc had powers diminished that wasn't due to violent force?"
 
And something else.

The silence is eerie regards tax evaders isn't it. I mean why ever might that be in an election run up?
 
And something else.

The silence is eerie regards tax evaders isn't it. I mean why ever might that be in an election run up?

That's probably the only bandwagon in town that Labour haven't yet jumped on in desperation. I give it two months.
 
It is a sham really. The whole thing is so polarised these days that the party/s that lose an election often spend the next 5 years doing nothing but undermine the winning party. It's no surprise that nothing really gets done. There was a feeling a few years ago that the Washington Consensus was triumphing as the preferred means of government around the world, but the reality has turned out rather differently.

The leading lights in governance nowadays are certainly not coming from big, western countries. Singapore have been hugely influential for instance, and have played a big role in how China have tried to do things. Within Europe, Sweden and Norway have both innovated successfully.

I'm reading an interesting book at the moment that compares the way governments do things around the world, and they highlight four main issues with the way the western democracies operate:

  1. They have a belief that everything should be done in-house. The comparison is with the old days of Ford and GM in the 30s, where they would be hugely vertically integrated, and run everything from the logging firms that gave them wood to the sheep farms that gave them the wool for their seats. This belief that the state should both pay for and provide everything is not how the modern world works.
  2. Decision making is too centralized. You'd like to think that the Scottish referendum has opened up the debate on this and that a whole lot of power will be given to local authorities. With an election looming however, there's a risk it will be put onto the pending pile to gather dust. The world as a whole requires adaptability, as change is happening so fast. The best way to be adaptable is to make decisions nearest to the information that underpins them.
  3. A fixation with uniformity of supply. We've seen this in various threads here on GOT. There must be equality, with everyone given the same thing. It's mass production thinking in a world that is uniformly customized. We're living in an age now of flexible production and consumer choice.
  4. An aversion to change. The whole Yes Minister thing writ large, that too much effort is put into maintaining the status quo. Indeed, one of the few things that is likely to get you the sack is trying to upset the apple cart. It suggests this is a big reason why there is so much variance within public service. Why a hospital in one part of the country is so very different to one in another part, both in terms of its costs and the quality of service. For instance, if you reduced the spending of the most expensive hospitals down to the mean from across the country, that alone would save £15 billion. In other words, much more needs to be done to ensure best practice spreads, and spreads rapidly.
Is our democracy really working? Is it the best way to do the job its intended to do?

Tsk, you & I know that we are really run by Whitehall mandarins (the Permanent Secretaries) that never change despite the colour of the party in power ...... "The Establishment" and "Big Business" have & will always have the last say.
Makes no real odds how I or you vote in the end.

Vote Loony - you know it makes sense
 
Some people are mega weird about the NHS remaining as much of a state service as possible despite there being numerous, widespread issues with it compared to the health systems in countries that make use of a state owned system making use of private contractors.

Germany follows that system and their health service is superior.

As somebody with two parents who worked in the NHS, but not on the frontline, i've heard incredible stories about the amount of waste, both time and monetary, that occurs on a daily basis. It's a shambles.

In what way is it superior? IMO it has its advantages but also disadvantages and thus impossible to say whether its superior or inferior.
 
In what way is it superior? IMO it has its advantages but also disadvantages and thus impossible to say whether its superior or inferior.

Ignoring any political or national rivalry, there is a huge amount of variance within the NHS as a whole. If the poor trusts were brought up to speed with the average, either for quality or efficiency (or ideally both), then that in itself would make a big difference. I'm not sure the service is as good as it might be at disseminating what works well in one place throughout the service. For a single service it is incredibly fragmented.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Welcome

Join the Everton conversation today.
Fewer ads, full access, completely free.

🛒 Visit Shop

Support Grand Old Team by checking out our latest Everton gear!
Back
Top