The Mighty Quint
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I'd rather have Mr Bean as PM in a room with Putin than have another day of Cameron in charge.
The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )
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Clint Planet
Utter Cad.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/mar/08/how-will-everything-change-under-climate-change
I'm a huge fan of Naomi Klein and it does bother me enormously how little we are bothered about what's around the corner. you can lambast the Greens all you want but it is indisputable that fossil fuels will run out some time in the not so distant future and it's more and more obvious that climate change is real and potentially hugely destructive, both physically and economically.
I'm a huge fan of Naomi Klein and it does bother me enormously how little we are bothered about what's around the corner. you can lambast the Greens all you want but it is indisputable that fossil fuels will run out some time in the not so distant future and it's more and more obvious that climate change is real and potentially hugely destructive, both physically and economically.
Jib in lad
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You mean like this.
Clint Planet
Utter Cad.
Klein: " And it’s no longer just radicals who see the need for radical change. In 2012, 21 past winners of the prestigious Blue Planet Prize – a group that includes James Hansen, former director of Nasa’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, and Gro Harlem Brundtland, former prime minister of Norway – authored a landmark report. It stated that, “in the face of an absolutely unprecedented emergency, society has no choice but to take dramatic action to avert a collapse of civilization. Either we will change our ways and build an entirely new kind of global society, or they will be changed for us.”"
Absolutely disputable. Oil reserves will last well into the next century.
Basil Fawlty
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Just came across this which is interesting
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/02/08/the-color-of-david-camerons-underwear/
https://theflippintruth.wordpress.com/tag/david-cameron/
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1058697/pg1
The Color of David Cameron’s Underwear (updated)
Posted by Gordon Duff on February 8, 2015
If Cameron was "dirty" at age 25, could he be filthy now?
By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor
British Prime Minister David Cameron has taken an aggressive stance advocating the silencing of anyone who refuses to stick to his version of what he likes to tell others are “facts.” We have something to say about that. In 1989, Cameron, only 25 years old but a rising star in Britain’s dirty political game, traveled to Africa on a trip that would lead to election fraud in Britain, stolen nuclear weapons and a war in the Middle East.
Let us supply some background. Cameron has equated challenging his long proven fabrications as acts of terrorism and is threatening to use British security services to silence honest journalists the way Dr. David Kelly was silenced. He seems to have appointed himself “god.”
Sanction Busting, Israel, Britain and South Africa
In 1975, South Africa signed a top secret accord which allowed Israel to build and test, not only nuclear weapons but chemical and biological weapons as well. The deal was “build and test,” not just nukes but gas and bioweapons as well, conveniently done in Africa where mass slaughter doesn’t matter so much.
This was done, covered up by the Reconciliation Commission, but the facts are there, BX gas, VX gas, ebola, anthrax, small pox among others, released in Angola and against other non-white populations across Africa.
On September 22, 1979, one of ten nuclear devices to be created through this partnership was exploded. American satellites picked up the 80 millisecond double flash while sonic detectors, part of the worldwide anti-submarine network, picked up the signature of a nuclear explosion, this one on a barge off Prince Edward Island. (See Figure 1)
As explained in the video, which gets everything right, the remaining 9 nuclear weapons were sold to the US and Britain. David Cameron was part of the delegation that purchased 3 of the weapons. This deal was an 11th hour scam, worked out between politicians and arms dealers.
It involved stealing at least $50 million for a political slush fund but there was something far more sinister involved. The deal Cameron was a part of along with Dr. David Kelly and John Bradenkamp, the quite famous arms trafficker, involved stealing nuclear weapons.
Cameron’s visit violated UN sanctions against South Africa and UN treaties covering nuclear non-proliferation as well. These facts are clearly in evidence.
Figure 1
Britain Simply Gave 3 Nukes to Terrorists
This operation, to steal 3 nuclear weapons from South Africa, weapons supposedly bought by Britain to be disassembled, according to sources directly involved in the sale and transport of the weapons themselves, interviewed at length, began at the Pelendaba nuclear facility in South Africa.
There, the bombs were loaded onto Blatchford cradles and moved into blue 20 foot containers. VT personnel were along for the ride to Durham where they were put on a ship for Oman, a ship arranged for by John Bradenkamp, a Rhodesian/Zimbabwean arms trader only recently off the terrorist lists.
This represented David Cameron’s “blooding” as a real “insider.” In Britain we know what that generally entails.
His good friend on the trip, Dr. David Kelly, has been murdered in 2003, over threats to expose the dirty deal cut with arms traders to steal nuclear weapons. Did Cameron know the details of the deal he helped negotiate? We suggest yes.
What was the nature of that deal? Britain was to simply unload the weapons in Oman, leave them unguarded and walk away. They never mentioned them again, never looked for them and never asked questions even when one of the bombs supposedly belonging to Britain was exploded by North Korea on May 25, 2009.
Britain was quickly informed that one of the “Saddam nukes” had exploded in North Korea. American satellites or ground teams can detect the origin of nuclear material and the specifics of bomb design. Pelandaba for North Korea and Hanford for 9/11, two of nearly 50 unexplained post World War 2 nuclear explosions according to sources at the IAEA.
This is when liability under the UK’s Nuclear Explosion Act of 1998 which was carried over into the Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act of 2001 become a reality. The following provision within the expanded 2001 act applies:
The Act explicitly declares that to knowingly cause the detonation of a nuclear weapon, for a test or any other reason, will be an offence, and punishable by life imprisonment and confiscation of anything relating to the offence. The only exception is where the explosion is deemed to have been carried out in the course of an armed conflict – if a question arises over this then the Secretary of State for Defence decides and issues a certificate of his determination. The Act will apply to any weapon used within the United Kingdom, or used elsewhere by British nationals or corporations.
Two British prime ministers are in danger from this act, Tony Blair who received nearly $5 million in political payoffs. later returned, laundered through a source tied to Formula One racing. Blair’s cash came from Bradencamp and is assumed to have been his cut for keeping quiet about the source of what he was told were Saddam’s nukes. The Chilcott Inquiry was tasked specifically with tracking down those involved in “misplacing” these nuclear weapons.
The defining language in the act and those with full knowledge and access to conclusive proofs of violations, the Bradenkamp group, Murdoch’s “News of the World” spy operation and its affiliate, Israeli military intelligence, have gained and clearly exercised broad leverage over these two prime ministers and, through a decades old sex and murder scandal now rocking Britain, key ministries and members of parliament as well.
The other is Cameron. Both are assumed to have information tied to the Korean nuclear explosion and that, either through failure to act while in office or complicity in the transfer, they are culpable and potentially liable under provisions of the 2001 Security Act that apply to nuclear weapons. Enforcement of these provisions is “non judicial.”
How This Changed History
The weapons have played several roles in recent history:
Similarly, on February 3, 1991, a B 52 flying a secret mission near Iraq, armed with crashed off Somalia. Its 3 SRAM nuclear warheads were believed to have been recovered by South African Special Forces and transported through Mombasa. Several “Broken Arrow” missions were dispatched. It is not known if these weapons were recovered.
Peter Eyre and Gordon Bowden
Much of the original work on this story was done by Peter Eyre who has consistently gotten it right.
Do the people fully understand that vital evidence is being withheld from the Chilcot Inquiry regarding the Conservative Party being implicated in illegal arms to Iraq prior to the war and as a direct result of their actions put our own troops at great risk?
Do the public fully understand just how much of this deplorable, under the table dealing, Dr. David Kelly knew and that he was about to expose it?
You may ask why Dr. Kelly? It’s very simple really because he was the only man that could be trusted into making sure the three nuclear weapons that were shipped out of South Africa arrived safely in Oman prior to the British Government releasing the money!!
Dr David Kelly physically checked the three “battlefield ready” nuclear bombs, after they arrived in standard sea containers in Oman by checking the internal core temperature via a concealed inspection panel.
Don’t you just find it incredible that these weapons were purchased illegally and in violation of the UN Sanctions on South Africa, were illegally shipped to Oman without any security and then were stored in an insecure private compound in Oman?
This under the table deal was all done using British Taxpayers money via a notorious arms dealer named John Bredenkamp, and who later stole them back knowing that our government could do nothing about it……..this man who graces the shores of the United Kingdom, living a life of luxury, then sold them on the black market…..one of which was test fired by North Korea two year ago…….such is the level of trust we bestow on the Conservative Party who currently are running our country with the very man at the helm who was part of this conspiracy!!
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The Mossad Cover Operation Exposed
There are reports that the smaller plutonium pit from one of the SRAM warheads was detected in a failed nuclear test in North Korea on October 9, 2006, a “fizzle.” Still, however, intelligence sources tried to cover up the North Korean role, one that strongly supports a hypothesis that North Korea only has access to black market nuclear material and has no domestic production capability of its own.
Alexander Cockburn, now deceased, of Counterpunch, included this very suspicious language in a 2005 article cleverly titled “Lost Nuclear Warheads in Iran:”
As the three warheads entered international arms-smuggling loops, the Bush-One and subsequently Clinton administrations dispatched various covert units to recover them, with no success.
As possible substantiation that the warheads may have ended up in Iran, CounterPunch’s informant cites a hour-long BBC-TV Channel-2 documentary, broadcast on May 3, 2005,titled “Iran’s Nuclear Secrets” in which they showed their TV-cameraman with UN weapons inspectors in Iran.
During those searches the inspectors found radiation traces in rooms left by the previous presence of weapons-grade uranium, with an enrichment of 40% to 60%.
The BBC program suggested that as local enrichment had not started then the Iranians must have held non-local black-Market material. The BBC concluded that with this material Iran was already perceived as a threat by Israel and the Scott Ritter’s forecasted raids were a likely possibility.
If the US or Israel does launch an aerial attack on the suspected depository of the three warheads, or of uranium from them, the consequences could be lethal in more ways than one, if a “bunker busting ” raid simply dispersed the nuclear materials into the atmosphere, with unpleasant consequences for all in the wind path.
CounterPunch has long been on our radar, fronting for Assange in his push toward war with Iran, moving in and around Libya and Syria, while putting out “chickenfeed.”
Conclusion
What we do know is this, David Cameron has knowledge of missing nuclear weapons. This can be proven. We know he was involved in the theft, in what manner we can’t prove but we are sure others have and have used this leverage to get Cameron to make a fool of himself over and over as he is doing in his Ukraine policy and as he did before the UN General Assembly on September 24, 2014 in his “declaration of war” against the world’s independent media.
As an ally, we simply don’t trust David Cameron.
No telling of this story should fail to credit the work of Peter Eyre.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/02/08/the-color-of-david-camerons-underwear/
http://petereyrepatch.blogspot.co.uk/2010/03/us-and-uk-lost-three-nuclear-weapons_03.html
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/02/08/the-color-of-david-camerons-underwear/
https://theflippintruth.wordpress.com/tag/david-cameron/
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1058697/pg1
The Color of David Cameron’s Underwear (updated)
Posted by Gordon Duff on February 8, 2015
If Cameron was "dirty" at age 25, could he be filthy now?
By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor
British Prime Minister David Cameron has taken an aggressive stance advocating the silencing of anyone who refuses to stick to his version of what he likes to tell others are “facts.” We have something to say about that. In 1989, Cameron, only 25 years old but a rising star in Britain’s dirty political game, traveled to Africa on a trip that would lead to election fraud in Britain, stolen nuclear weapons and a war in the Middle East.
Let us supply some background. Cameron has equated challenging his long proven fabrications as acts of terrorism and is threatening to use British security services to silence honest journalists the way Dr. David Kelly was silenced. He seems to have appointed himself “god.”
Sanction Busting, Israel, Britain and South Africa
In 1975, South Africa signed a top secret accord which allowed Israel to build and test, not only nuclear weapons but chemical and biological weapons as well. The deal was “build and test,” not just nukes but gas and bioweapons as well, conveniently done in Africa where mass slaughter doesn’t matter so much.
This was done, covered up by the Reconciliation Commission, but the facts are there, BX gas, VX gas, ebola, anthrax, small pox among others, released in Angola and against other non-white populations across Africa.
On September 22, 1979, one of ten nuclear devices to be created through this partnership was exploded. American satellites picked up the 80 millisecond double flash while sonic detectors, part of the worldwide anti-submarine network, picked up the signature of a nuclear explosion, this one on a barge off Prince Edward Island. (See Figure 1)
As explained in the video, which gets everything right, the remaining 9 nuclear weapons were sold to the US and Britain. David Cameron was part of the delegation that purchased 3 of the weapons. This deal was an 11th hour scam, worked out between politicians and arms dealers.
It involved stealing at least $50 million for a political slush fund but there was something far more sinister involved. The deal Cameron was a part of along with Dr. David Kelly and John Bradenkamp, the quite famous arms trafficker, involved stealing nuclear weapons.
Cameron’s visit violated UN sanctions against South Africa and UN treaties covering nuclear non-proliferation as well. These facts are clearly in evidence.
Figure 1
Britain Simply Gave 3 Nukes to Terrorists
This operation, to steal 3 nuclear weapons from South Africa, weapons supposedly bought by Britain to be disassembled, according to sources directly involved in the sale and transport of the weapons themselves, interviewed at length, began at the Pelendaba nuclear facility in South Africa.
There, the bombs were loaded onto Blatchford cradles and moved into blue 20 foot containers. VT personnel were along for the ride to Durham where they were put on a ship for Oman, a ship arranged for by John Bradenkamp, a Rhodesian/Zimbabwean arms trader only recently off the terrorist lists.
This represented David Cameron’s “blooding” as a real “insider.” In Britain we know what that generally entails.
His good friend on the trip, Dr. David Kelly, has been murdered in 2003, over threats to expose the dirty deal cut with arms traders to steal nuclear weapons. Did Cameron know the details of the deal he helped negotiate? We suggest yes.
What was the nature of that deal? Britain was to simply unload the weapons in Oman, leave them unguarded and walk away. They never mentioned them again, never looked for them and never asked questions even when one of the bombs supposedly belonging to Britain was exploded by North Korea on May 25, 2009.
Britain was quickly informed that one of the “Saddam nukes” had exploded in North Korea. American satellites or ground teams can detect the origin of nuclear material and the specifics of bomb design. Pelandaba for North Korea and Hanford for 9/11, two of nearly 50 unexplained post World War 2 nuclear explosions according to sources at the IAEA.
This is when liability under the UK’s Nuclear Explosion Act of 1998 which was carried over into the Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act of 2001 become a reality. The following provision within the expanded 2001 act applies:
The Act explicitly declares that to knowingly cause the detonation of a nuclear weapon, for a test or any other reason, will be an offence, and punishable by life imprisonment and confiscation of anything relating to the offence. The only exception is where the explosion is deemed to have been carried out in the course of an armed conflict – if a question arises over this then the Secretary of State for Defence decides and issues a certificate of his determination. The Act will apply to any weapon used within the United Kingdom, or used elsewhere by British nationals or corporations.
Two British prime ministers are in danger from this act, Tony Blair who received nearly $5 million in political payoffs. later returned, laundered through a source tied to Formula One racing. Blair’s cash came from Bradencamp and is assumed to have been his cut for keeping quiet about the source of what he was told were Saddam’s nukes. The Chilcott Inquiry was tasked specifically with tracking down those involved in “misplacing” these nuclear weapons.
The defining language in the act and those with full knowledge and access to conclusive proofs of violations, the Bradenkamp group, Murdoch’s “News of the World” spy operation and its affiliate, Israeli military intelligence, have gained and clearly exercised broad leverage over these two prime ministers and, through a decades old sex and murder scandal now rocking Britain, key ministries and members of parliament as well.
The other is Cameron. Both are assumed to have information tied to the Korean nuclear explosion and that, either through failure to act while in office or complicity in the transfer, they are culpable and potentially liable under provisions of the 2001 Security Act that apply to nuclear weapons. Enforcement of these provisions is “non judicial.”
How This Changed History
The weapons have played several roles in recent history:
- Britain and the US invaded Iraq to seize these weapons stating: “There are 3 nuclear weapons in Iraq, only 45 minutes from assembly and use, which we believe are being transported to Syria via ambulances.
- Later Israeli intelligence said the bombs were in a Beirut hospital, kept in the X-ray room to hide them.
- Then Israel claimed they were transported to Turkey and placed on the Mavi Marmara, under the hull to shield radiation. Israel gave the US this reason for their attack on the Gaza convoy.
- Two weapons are believed to have been transported to the US inside vending machines sent from Israel. This was the plot of the Israeli financed Sum of All Fears, a film that blamed Syria for what US intelligence believed Israel had done.
- Alexander Cockburn of CounterPunch, a suspected Israeli backed “alternative news” outlet, in 2005 penned an article titled “Lost Nuclear Warheads in Iran.” (quoted and linked below) The article is believed to have been written to not only to push for an attack on Iran but to cover an Israeli nuclear material smuggling operation to North Korea using Dolphin submarines supplied by Germany.
- On July 13, 2010, the Delta Force hit a warehouse outside Indianapolis, “The Loft,” a company that sells furniture for college dorm rooms. They believed one of the nukes was there. We can’t confirm that one was recovered.
- In 2012 and American NES-Team (Nuclear Emergency Security) was dispatched to Essex to recover what was believed to be a nuclear weapon meant to threaten the London Olympic games. Russian intelligence had leaked a story about a midget submarine moving the weapon up the Thames estuary. We have confirmations that a weapon was recovered.
Similarly, on February 3, 1991, a B 52 flying a secret mission near Iraq, armed with crashed off Somalia. Its 3 SRAM nuclear warheads were believed to have been recovered by South African Special Forces and transported through Mombasa. Several “Broken Arrow” missions were dispatched. It is not known if these weapons were recovered.
Peter Eyre and Gordon Bowden
Much of the original work on this story was done by Peter Eyre who has consistently gotten it right.
Do the people fully understand that vital evidence is being withheld from the Chilcot Inquiry regarding the Conservative Party being implicated in illegal arms to Iraq prior to the war and as a direct result of their actions put our own troops at great risk?
Do the public fully understand just how much of this deplorable, under the table dealing, Dr. David Kelly knew and that he was about to expose it?
You may ask why Dr. Kelly? It’s very simple really because he was the only man that could be trusted into making sure the three nuclear weapons that were shipped out of South Africa arrived safely in Oman prior to the British Government releasing the money!!
Dr David Kelly physically checked the three “battlefield ready” nuclear bombs, after they arrived in standard sea containers in Oman by checking the internal core temperature via a concealed inspection panel.
Don’t you just find it incredible that these weapons were purchased illegally and in violation of the UN Sanctions on South Africa, were illegally shipped to Oman without any security and then were stored in an insecure private compound in Oman?
This under the table deal was all done using British Taxpayers money via a notorious arms dealer named John Bredenkamp, and who later stole them back knowing that our government could do nothing about it……..this man who graces the shores of the United Kingdom, living a life of luxury, then sold them on the black market…..one of which was test fired by North Korea two year ago…….such is the level of trust we bestow on the Conservative Party who currently are running our country with the very man at the helm who was part of this conspiracy!!
___
The Mossad Cover Operation Exposed
There are reports that the smaller plutonium pit from one of the SRAM warheads was detected in a failed nuclear test in North Korea on October 9, 2006, a “fizzle.” Still, however, intelligence sources tried to cover up the North Korean role, one that strongly supports a hypothesis that North Korea only has access to black market nuclear material and has no domestic production capability of its own.
Alexander Cockburn, now deceased, of Counterpunch, included this very suspicious language in a 2005 article cleverly titled “Lost Nuclear Warheads in Iran:”
As the three warheads entered international arms-smuggling loops, the Bush-One and subsequently Clinton administrations dispatched various covert units to recover them, with no success.
As possible substantiation that the warheads may have ended up in Iran, CounterPunch’s informant cites a hour-long BBC-TV Channel-2 documentary, broadcast on May 3, 2005,titled “Iran’s Nuclear Secrets” in which they showed their TV-cameraman with UN weapons inspectors in Iran.
During those searches the inspectors found radiation traces in rooms left by the previous presence of weapons-grade uranium, with an enrichment of 40% to 60%.
The BBC program suggested that as local enrichment had not started then the Iranians must have held non-local black-Market material. The BBC concluded that with this material Iran was already perceived as a threat by Israel and the Scott Ritter’s forecasted raids were a likely possibility.
If the US or Israel does launch an aerial attack on the suspected depository of the three warheads, or of uranium from them, the consequences could be lethal in more ways than one, if a “bunker busting ” raid simply dispersed the nuclear materials into the atmosphere, with unpleasant consequences for all in the wind path.
CounterPunch has long been on our radar, fronting for Assange in his push toward war with Iran, moving in and around Libya and Syria, while putting out “chickenfeed.”
Conclusion
What we do know is this, David Cameron has knowledge of missing nuclear weapons. This can be proven. We know he was involved in the theft, in what manner we can’t prove but we are sure others have and have used this leverage to get Cameron to make a fool of himself over and over as he is doing in his Ukraine policy and as he did before the UN General Assembly on September 24, 2014 in his “declaration of war” against the world’s independent media.
As an ally, we simply don’t trust David Cameron.
No telling of this story should fail to credit the work of Peter Eyre.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/02/08/the-color-of-david-camerons-underwear/
http://petereyrepatch.blogspot.co.uk/2010/03/us-and-uk-lost-three-nuclear-weapons_03.html
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bluemangroup
Player Valuation: £70m
He said it was indisputable. Stop disputing it.
I had a bet with myself when Clint said that people of a leftish hue love 'bottom up' solutions that the next time I mention one that it wouldn't gain a single 'like' from the regular posters on this thread of that persuasion, but you've gone and out done me. Must be easier looking for excuses rather than solutions as the latter means you actually have to do stuff.Suffice to say, I can't vouch for the demographics of the userbase, but I believe the most popular of the games I mentioned above has around 100,000 players, which suggests (in my mind at least) that all is not lost with humanity.
there is enough coal under the UK to power it for at least the next 500 yrs if there was a will or means to find a way to burn it cleaner , shouldnt be behond modern science to invent a giant scubber system example.
The Kemper County IGCC Project, a 582 MW coal gasification-based power plant, will use pre-combustion capture of CO2 to capture 65% of the CO2 the plant produces, which will be utilized/geologically sequestered in enhanced oil recoveryoperations
When I took a much bigger interest in the whole peak oil thing (over a decade ago now), there were some predictions that said we wouldn't even last this long without running out.
Alas, then tar sands came along (which is a dirty and water wasteful fuel, I accept), and of course fracking too and we're in an environment where there was so much oil that the price slumped dramatically recently and the Saudis had to restrict their supply to prop it up. Considering most of the world hasn't even begun with fracking it seems that there is still plenty of fossil fuel out there, even ignoring the truly deep water stuff and whatever sits under the Arctic.
There have also been some big advances in electric cars in that time, and there is such a vast investment in battery technology at the moment that I can't believe that won't be a viable mass market technology long before oil runs out.
So yeah, I think the whole peak oil thing is largely a busted flush these days. That we'll probably live in a renewable energy powered economy however I think is very likely at some point in the next few decades, with the aforementioned battery technology (and smart grids) important to offset the inevitable fluctuations in supply.
The Esk
Player Valuation: £70m
Well given that Cameron has gone AWOL on all things relating to Russia, any British PM in the same room as Putin would be an advance. lol
Milk
Udderly delicious
Possibly something to do with all that dodgy Russian money swilling around London???
Clint Planet
Utter Cad.
We're at peak oil now. The Average American still uses 10 as much as the average chinese - that's not going to change. The Average Indian will also continue to increase his oil consumption. Note that it takes seven gallons of oil to make every car tyre. Oil is also used to make the dashboard and steering wheel and the handles for the screwdrivers in the tool kit in the boot, not to mention the driver's toothbrush and phone and the little plastic box he bought his cherry tomatoes in. Factor in this:
And we have a potentially catastrophic (i.e. society-threatening) economic collapse on our hands in your lifetime unless we adapt, mate.
So, for both environmental reasons and economic reasons, we need to face up to the idea that we need to ween ourselves of the black stuff, and soon.
Clint Planet
Utter Cad.
Have a nice day.
So you're saying everyone needs to get on their bike? I can get on board with that 
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