The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

Who will you be voting for?

  • Tory

    Votes: 38 9.9%
  • Diet Tory (Labour)

    Votes: 132 34.3%
  • Tory Zero (Greens)

    Votes: 44 11.4%
  • Extra Tory with lemon (UKIP)

    Votes: 40 10.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 9 2.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 31 8.1%
  • Cheese on toast

    Votes: 91 23.6%

  • Total voters
    385
  • Poll closed .
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I am only a young fella, but it seems to me that a party's manifesto accounts for sod all when they don't follow through at all with what they've "promised".

Makes it hard to know who to vote for.

To be fair though, that goes for most plans of any note. As Napoleon famously said, few strategies ever survive the first shot of battle. It's a well known tradition for instance that the departing Chancellor always greets the incoming one with an apology for the mess they're inheriting. Whilst that's probably done in jest, it does underline the fact that few opposition parties can really know the extent of what they're inheriting when they publish their manifesto.

What's more, the manifesto is usually written a year or two before they ever take office, so the world moves on considerably in that time.

I appreciate that makes it difficult for voters to really judge a party on their manifesto, but I don't think it's a bad thing that they deviate from it if the circumstances mean a better option is more desirable.
 

Powerful nationalism? UKIP seen as a mainstream party, EDL views getting support on here. Britain First and BNP lurking in the shadows.

Scapegoats? Eastern Europeans nicking our jobs are the obvious scapegoats, here. Blacks and Asians - the previous targets - failed to destroy our society. Funny how we don't seem so bothered about all the Spaniards and Italians.

Supremacy of the military: "LOL what military?" The one that went illegally into Iraq and Afghanistan.

Rampant Sexism? Rampant is strong but Cameron's "calm down, dear" sheds some light on his views and women are still being paid less than men.

Controlled mass media? Murdoch's grip gets ever stronger and, with the Sun, he is something of a Kingmaker. News of the Screws scandal fails to bring him or Brooks down. In the meantime, the BBC's reporting of Israel's assault on Gaza last summer was depressingly biased. In America, Fox News is utterly offensive in its political agenda.

Obsession with national security: Britain is a "surveillance society" like no other in Europe. Meanwhile, whistleblowers like Assange and Snowden are characterised as enemies of the state. Kidnapping, waterboarding and indefinitely detaining suspects a routine occurance.

Religion and government: Admittedly, nowhere near as bad as in the USA (when the head of state has to routinely say "God bless America" on TV). The C of E is refreshingly critical of the government, in fact. Dragged its feet on women bishops, though.

Corporate power: Multinationals are becoming more and more powerful. What's more, in the case of the Food Standards Agency, the Tories are allowing them to regulate themselves (yeah, that's bound to work). TTIP looming on the horizon. Can't over-emphasise how important this is.

Labour power is suppressed: Not hugely though Unions are much less powerful than in 1979. More tellingly, though, dissent and protest are undermined by being almost completely ignored by the BBC, ITN and Sky. Grassroots mass protests numbering tens of thousands in London and around the country are routinely ignored by TV (and newspapers).

Disdain for intellectuals: My wife is Polish and despairs at how anti-intellectual Britain is ,though it's admittedly way ahead of the USA. In America, almost every movie involves a good, honest but "uncomplicated" hero getting the better of an untrustworthy, too-clever-by-half foe. Meanwhile, God is fighting back against Science. "Intelligent Design" is taken seriously by many.

Obsession with crime and punishment: Habeus Corpus - a non-negotiable for over 200 years - routinely ignored or "modified" in both the UK and USA. Assange and Snowdon seen as public enemies for acting in the interests of the public. Working class benefit scroungers demonised whilst bankers and multinationals laugh their way to the bank.

Corrupt elections: Not so much corrupt in the UK as not fit for purpose. Britain's first-past-the-post system ensures that a corrupt and self-serving elite can expect to remain more or less in power. In America, of course, there was the fixed Florida vote that returned Bush to the White House. No one, other than Michael Moore, batted an eye-lid.
 
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A lot of the anti-immigrant sentiment comes from long standing working class communities where there has been a significant influx of migrants who have not integrated/been integrated into the community.

UKIP have eroded as much of the labour vote (probably more) as it has of the Tory vote and is the reason we are unfortunately heading for another hung parliament and not a Labour landslide.

This is simply incorrect in so many ways.

UKIP take proportionally many more votes from the Tories than they do for Labour (link).

The reason we're heading towards a hung parliament is because of UKIP, that's correct, but if it wasn't for UKIP we'd be heading for a Conservative minority government, possibly even a tiny majority - not a Labour landslide.
 
This is simply incorrect in so many ways.

UKIP take proportionally many more votes from the Tories than they do for Labour (link).

The reason we're heading towards a hung parliament is because of UKIP, that's correct, but if it wasn't for UKIP we'd be heading for a Conservative minority government, possibly even a tiny majority - not a Labour landslide.

Ukips actually benefiting Labour at the moment by dividing the right wing vote and giving them a shot at marginal seats in England.

If they hadn't have screwed up in Scotland they'd be in a very good position
 
Ukips actually benefiting Labour at the moment by dividing the right wing vote and giving them a shot at marginal seats in England.

If they hadn't have screwed up in Scotland they'd be in a very good position

Absolutely. As much as Labour dislike UKIP, their only hope of being the largest party after 2015 is to pray that UKIP get as many votes as possible.

The bigger the UKIP vote, the more likely Labour are to 'win'.
 

Absolutely. As much as Labour dislike UKIP, their only hope of being the largest party after 2015 is to pray that UKIP get as many votes as possible.

The bigger the UKIP vote, the more likely Labour are to 'win'.

Yep

Cameron just needs around half the ukip support to '' switch back'' and he'll more than likely be living in downing street for another 5 years.


Miliband needs the ukip support to stay at the level it is and not start eating away at Labour and hope the Scottish Labour party has a recovery.

It's going to be an uncertain election what ever the outcome though
 
Powerful nationalism? UKIP seen as a mainstream party, EDL views getting support on here. Britain First and BNP lurking in the shadows.

Scapegoats? Eastern Europeans nicking our jobs are the obvious scapegoats, here. Blacks and Asians - the previous targets - failed to destroy our society. Funny how we don't seem so bothered about all the Spaniards and Italians.

Supremacy of the military: "LOL what military?" The one that went illegally into Iraq and Afghanistan.

Rampant Sexism? Rampant is strong but Cameron's "calm down, dear" sheds some light on his views and women are still being paid less than men.

Controlled mass media? Murdoch's grip gets ever stronger and with the Sun is something of a Kingmaker. News of the Screws scandal fails to bring him or Brooks down. In the meantime, the BBC's reporting of Israel's assault on Gaza last summer was depressingly biased. In America, Fox News is utterly offensive in its political agenda.

Obsession with national security: Britain is a "surveillance society" like no other in Europe. Meanwhile, whistleblowers like Assange and Snowden are characterised as enemies of the state. Kidnapping, waterboarding and indefinitely detaining suspects a routine occurance.

Religion and government: Admittedly, nowhere near as bad as in the USA (when the head of state has to routinely say "God bless America" on TV). The C of E is refreshingly critical of the government, in fact. Dragged its feet on women bishops, though.

Corporate power: Multinationals are becoming more and more powerful. What's more, in the case of the Food Standards Agency, the Tories are allowing them to regulate themselves (yeah, that's bound to work). TTIP looming on the horizon. Can't over-emphasise how important this is.

Labour power is suppressed: Not hugely though Unions are much less powerful than in 1979. More tellingly, though, dissent and protest are undermined by being almost completely ignored by the BBC, ITN and Sky. Grassroots mass protests numbering tens of thousands in London and around the country are routinely ignored by TV (and newspapers).

Disdain for intellectuals: My wife is Polish and despairs at how anti-intellectual Britain is ,though it's admittedly way ahead of the USA. In America, almost every movie involves a good, honest but "uncomplicated" hero getting the better of an untrustworthy, too-clever-by-half foe. Meanwhile, God is fighting back against Science. "Intelligent Design" is taken seriously by many.

Obsession with crime and punishment: Habeus Corpus - a non-negotiable for over 200 years - routinely ignored or "modified" in both the UK and USA. Assange and Snowdon seen as public enemies for acting in the interests of the public. Working class benefit scroungers demonised whilst bankers and multinationals laugh their way to the bank.

Corrupt elections: Not so much corrupt in the UK as not fit for purpose. Britain's first-past-the-post system ensures that a corrupt and self-serving elite can expect to remain more or less in power. In America, of course, there was the fixed Florida vote that returned Bush to the White House. No one, other than Michael Moore, batted an eye-lid.

Welsby seems a decent bloke ......... don't bash the bishop, Clint :). Even Pope Francis seems quite cool if only the Vatican nay sayers would allow him to modernise Catholicism

As for our electoral system, first past the post makes for a stronger Government ultimately.
 
As for our electoral system, first past the post makes for a stronger Government ultimately.

That's what people automatically trot out without pausing much to think about it. And, of course, it's what the political elite want us to think. Do you think Germany has weak government, for example? Has the current coalition, whatever your views on its deeds, seemed any less capable of functioning?
 
As for our electoral system, first past the post makes for a stronger Government ultimately.

That's what people automatically trot out without pausing much to think about it. And, of course, it's what the political elite want us to think. Do you think Germany has weak government, for example? Has the current coalition, whatever your views on its deeds, seemed any less capable of functioning?

Germany are fronted by a formidable woman but usually CDU hold the whip hand in any case.
Look at the US at the moment. Dead duck President and the Republicans hold the House of Representatives now so it is total stalemate.
As for our coalition, the LD have been largely marginalised and all it has done is destroy the Lib Dems. Vince Cable for PM anyone???
 

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