The “Gammon” debate
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neil999
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Correct, i cant be bothered explaining to you why..seeing as you have the internet right there in front of you
bignev23
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Thanks neil I'm glad that's been cleared up.
Who decides what is offensive and what's not? And when it becomes offensive? as a kid growing up in 1980's Liverpool I always thought 'coloured' gentleman was a polite term for a black person...Genuine question, is it the government? The Media? Schools? Universities? Some kind of authority or other collective? Or is it just randomly judged by outrage on social media?
See this is why I prefer animals to humans as they're never outraged or offended by my poor choice of linguistics even when I'm pissed.
neil999
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I think people use their common sense
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Whilst I understand it can be a bit of a minefield for older generations 'coloured' has been frowned upon since the 70's as far as im aware with people like Malcom X trying their best to banish the term along with 'Negro'. I don't blame a lot of older people (especially in the UK) for using the term coloured though as it was considered the polite term for black people for many decades up until about the 70s.
bignev23
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That's something a lot of people lack from my experience though neil, prob not the best solution.
bignev23
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well I'm glad I wasn't being ignorant all those years and it was a polite term after all, at least in the UK.
It's not hating them because of race. Think you're missing the point Mikey. If it actually was about race, then it still wouldn't be equally applicable. Racism isn't purely about name calling, it's deep set, institutionalised. If being labelled Gammon prevented you gaining an education, job, or lead to increased harassment by public services, then I'd say it has an impact. Also, look who uses the term gammon- it's causians, black and Asians tend to steer clear, as potentially being implied as a racist would invalidate their opinions- and that already happens alot to them.
tsubaki
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It is a racist statement because you are quoting crime statistics gathered in a real-world environment, stripping them of all context (like age, actual ethnicity, sex, whether or not they had a criminal record etc) and using them to advance an argument that says black people co
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What has the context to do with the statistics? Are you saying that if I had been brought up in a poor family in a bad neighbourhood and didn't do well at school I would be perfectly entitled to go out committing crimes up to and including murder? If that's what you think then you really need to take a close look at your own values and stop criticising my opinions.
And what did I say about twisting my words to suit your own purposes?
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Also I did not say that "if black people in the US don't like it then they should change the phrase by which other people describe them". If you're going to quote someone, make sure you quote them properly and not twist the words to suit your argument.
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I also think that black Americans would do more for themselves by ditching the "African American" label and start calling themselves "American".
Where in that statement did I suggest that "if black people don't like it"?
I'm no racist, or sexist or homophobe. I've always got along with the majority of people I have had dealings with. Just because you don't like some of my opinions is no excuse for trying to pin labels on me.
tsubaki
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I'll criticize your opinions for as long as you keep coming out with ones that are demonstrably racist, as that one is. Context is everything with statistics because otherwise people can (in your case deliberately) be misled into thinking that one aspect of a study is more important than other parts (or indeed parts that aren't in the study).
The link between poverty and crime levels is well established, yet you ignore it. You even ignore the clear difference in the crime rates between the sexes (men commit far more than women), all in favour of that one element of the statistics.
Sarnia Kevin said: ↑
Also I did not say that "if black people in the US don't like it then they should change the phrase by which other people describe them". If you're going to quote someone, make sure you quote them properly and not twist the words to suit your argument.
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Sarnia Kevin said: ↑
I also think that black Americans would do more for themselves by ditching the "African American" label and start calling themselves "American".
Where in that statement did I suggest that "if black people don't like it"?
I'm no racist, or sexist or homophobe. I've always got along with the majority of people I have had dealings with. Just because you don't like some of my opinions is no excuse for trying to pin labels on me.
It would perhaps be better if you actually read your own posts, or better yet understood what it is you are saying in them, before claiming you aren't racist:
But you have to admit that a disproportionate amount of crime, violent crime and murder is commeitted by blacks in the USA. The fact that balcks make up 13% of the population and yet commit over 52% of the murders must tell you something.
I think that "racism" is being used as an excuse to try and hide the reality. I also think that black Americans would do more for themselves by ditching the "African American" label and start calling themselves "American". After all if I was to move to Nigeria and became a Nigerian citizen (as if the Nigerians would allow that to happen) I wouldn't be called a European African would I? The blacks in the USA (not all of them to be sure but a majority) are being used as pawns by the Democratic party in their political games. They are treated as people in need of constant financial support in the form of welfare instead of being encouraged to be useful Americans.
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Cwoar, it's all gone a bit political in here. Shame, the original poster was just hamming it up!
I think perhaps we ought to end our discussion here because we obviously aren't going to find any common ground. You obviously have painted a picture of me in your own head that is so far from reality as to be a work of fiction. I'll keep to my opinions, however much you find them at odds with your idea of the world, and you keep thinking the worst of people based on what you imagine they are thinking. Enjoy your life, I'm certainly enjoying mine. TTFN
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