Talk Sport Right Wing?

[GhostOfDixie]

Or actually saying what most people want to say?

Basically talking about being proud to be English, don't emigrate and if you do, don't expect to be allowed back in.

Personally I think they are talking sense in many ways. (not the refused entry thing), but having an England Day, and celebrating with flag waving etc...

 

[coyney]

Or actually saying what most people want to say?

Basically talking about being proud to be English, don't emigrate and if you do, don't expect to be allowed back in.

Personally I think they are talking sense in many ways. (not the refused entry thing), but having an England Day, and celebrating with flag waving etc...

To be honestI have always wondered why we dont celebrate St Georges Day like the rest of the UK do with their respective Saints.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

To be honestI have always wondered why we dont celebrate St Georges Day like the rest of the UK do with their respective Saints.

Well too many liberal hippies scared of upsetting johnny foreigner. Its bollocks. Teachers get bollocked for having a tiny England flag on their car, yet I was in Turkey on Turkey Day and they had a massive [Poor language removed] off flag draped down the side of a hotel, I'm talking around 100ft,

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

its john gaunt i reckon you are on about and although he talks a lot of shoite he does make some sense too, and is one of the only ones to have the bottle to say it. we should be able to celebrate our englishness that is true and its ridiculous that racism is brought into it.
as for emigrating, ive done it and came back, i guess if i'd been prevented i wouldve had to sneak in via sangatt.
as i told them at the job centre/dss on my return, i was told by mr tebitt to get on my bike, i did and in my opinion had been away for long enough and now i wanted to come home, this was the same jobcentre that gave me info so that i could go and spend the summer in greece claiming the dole off them so that i would be off our unemployment figures.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Yeah John Gaunt, but other's are joining suit. Its about time we celebrated our English heritage, and sack of all this foreign culture intrusions in the class room. I was brought up in a school that had 4 Chinese kids, all the same family, one of whom was a good friend of mine, and other than that it was made up of people who were English/Welsh (I lived on the border).

The Chinese kids were very English and adopted out culture no problem, now its a case of learning Muslim cultures, not so much to understand it, but as to not offend the muslim contingency in the schools. Well how about this, non-muslim people are not allowed in Mecca. Why? I would like to go because I'm interested in the history of the place and the architecture etc...

It basically boils down to people feeling sorry for the minority in this country, but this minority are getting stronger and before long they won't be the minority, call it xenophobia, I just call it wanting to embrace my own heritage.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

i'm all for my kids learning about other cultures and religions although i view religion as being offensive and very intolerant of others. growing up i didnt know any foreigners except like you said chinese and it was only when i went travelling that i realised the ignorance that this had caused, there are great things in most cultures and that includes our own, how long before morris dancers are banned as they are offensive to the people who have come here.
surely its all about integrating, to be accepted you have to take part in the places customs and heritage ,and show an interest instead of kicking up a stink and saying its offensive, all this just fuels the right wing and unfortunately when an economy starts to falter then the ones who are "outsiders" are the ones that get turned upon.
i am interested in learning about where people have come from yet they dont seem to be interested in learning about where they have come to.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

i'm all for my kids learning about other cultures and religions although i view religion as being offensive and very intolerant of others. growing up i didnt know any foreigners except like you said chinese and it was only when i went travelling that i realised the ignorance that this had caused, there are great things in most cultures and that includes our own, how long before morris dancers are banned as they are offensive to the people who have come here.
surely its all about integrating, to be accepted you have to take part in the places customs and heritage ,and show an interest instead of kicking up a stink and saying its offensive, all this just fuels the right wing and unfortunately when an economy starts to falter then the ones who are "outsiders" are the ones that get turned upon.
i am interested in learning about where people have come from yet they dont seem to be interested in learning about where they have come to.

Well what grinds my gears is its our own people, the English who are saying no to being English, I mean what the [Poor language removed] are they afraid of.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

Well what grinds my gears is its our own people, the English who are saying no to being English, I mean what the [Poor language removed] are they afraid of.

being exposed as feckwits who know feck all about their own country/heritage.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

What is being English? I'm currently working with people from every continent in the office, and if you took away the various accents you'd have a job to say who was foreign and who wasn't. People around the world have an amazing number of similarities.

Who cares if I happened to be born on a particular piece of rock, I'm a human being first and foremost. Why on earth would I need to wave a flag to confirm my identity? It's one thing to get all tribal where sport is concerned because that is essentially a bit of fun, but it concerns me that so many people find it so important where they had the (mis)fortune to be born. Seriously, who cares?

Heritage is mentioned, but how does that effect you? The famous of Englands past have done some amazing things, and some awful things. So what? Should an Englishman appreciate Shakespeare more than a foreigner merely because we share nationality? Should a German live in constant shame over the behaviour of their forebears? This kid in the tennis that we'll no doubt go over board about was actually born in Australia, does that mean we should disown her now? Feck it, she seems like a nice kid and a really good tennis player, lets just appreciate her for that rather than any luck over where she was born.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

i think the point thats trying to be made is that if the english want to celebrate their national identity then they should be allowed to as they allow everyone else to celebrate theirs, for example :
orangemen have parades
scots celebrate burns night
hindu's celebrate many religious festivals
catholics celebrate saints days etc
muslims celebrate ramadan and hari raya
aussies even celebrate australia day and anzac day witht the kiwi's
americans celebrate 4th july
and more english celebrate st patricks day than they do any of the countries festivals

as soon as any english celebrations are mentioned then the "youre all racists" brigade pipe up. the only one that seems to escape the attentions of the racism crowd is the summer solstice at stonehenge.

we're not even allowed to put english down as our nationality which is the most bizarre thing, as well as the fact that we've given the welsh and scottish m.p's their own parliaments yet they can come and vote on things at westminster that affect us, whilst passing their own laws i.e. free precriptions, that we dont have a say in we just have to fund.

 

[atrottel]

as soon as any english celebrations are mentioned then the "youre all racists" brigade pipe up.

Bollocks. The only time I see it mentioned is threads like this where people are complaining about "not being allowed to". Who's not allowing you to? Go mad, do it if you want to. If you want to celebrate an "English heritage" of tugging the forelock to the Germans and Dutch, more tea vicar, and dancing round a bleeding maypole, who's stopping you? Certainly hasn't stop anyone parading around Europe peeing in the fountains wrapped in St George when Eng-ger-lund are playing.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

every day over here now there is something else that is deemed offensive to others, i find it offensive that people incite violence in religious gatherings, i find it offensive that terrorists and others who wish to harm myself or my children with total disregard aren't turned over by their communities. yet we are told it would be wrong to make st georges day a national celebration as it would offend others, it's not like i'm saying bring back empire day where we would celebrate ransacking the globe and imposing ourselves on other nations.

do they celebrate st georges day in the other places where he is patron saint, i think that you'll find they do and also have national days as well.

you'll even find that queen victorias birthday is celebrated in new zealand.

i'm not saying it should be compulsary or even that i'd take part but what i see is the option being denied. and i dont see p1ssing in fountains whilst following eng-er-land as a show of nationalism in fact i have found that it has been a hinderence when visiting the places where it has happened.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

What is being English? I'm currently working with people from every continent in the office, and if you took away the various accents you'd have a job to say who was foreign and who wasn't. People around the world have an amazing number of similarities.

Who cares if I happened to be born on a particular piece of rock, I'm a human being first and foremost. Why on earth would I need to wave a flag to confirm my identity? It's one thing to get all tribal where sport is concerned because that is essentially a bit of fun, but it concerns me that so many people find it so important where they had the (mis)fortune to be born. Seriously, who cares?

Heritage is mentioned, but how does that effect you? The famous of Englands past have done some amazing things, and some awful things. So what? Should an Englishman appreciate Shakespeare more than a foreigner merely because we share nationality? Should a German live in constant shame over the behaviour of their forebears? This kid in the tennis that we'll no doubt go over board about was actually born in Australia, does that mean we should disown her now? Feck it, she seems like a nice kid and a really good tennis player, lets just appreciate her for that rather than any luck over where she was born.

Shock horror.

basically mate its that nearly every nation in the world waves their flag and is allowed to be French, Italian, German, American, etc.... Our own people prevent people from our country from being so, so as to not upset those who are not.

 

[atrottel]

Our own people prevent people from our country from being so

Once again, who does?

You could paint your house red and white on St George's Day if you wanted with a big picture of the Asian bloke slaying the dragon and nobody would say boo.

But that's not what you want, is it? You want everyone to do the same as you do, and - face facts - not enough people want to, or else they would already be doing it, now wouldn't they? (See St Andrew and St Patrick.)

Reidy's right, there are national holidays all over the world - Anzac Day, July 4, July 14 - but they have grown into national holidays because people appropriated them as ones (Anzac Day was originally a Remembrance Day which became an unofficial national holiday, July 4 is Independence Day, July 14 is Bastille Day).

So why didn't the English (especially the rightwing ones) appropriate Bonfire Night (a good White Anglo-Saxon Protestant holiday with an anti-Euro subtext if ever there was one)?

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Once again, who does?

You could paint your house red and white on St George's Day if you wanted with a big picture of the Asian bloke slaying the dragon and nobody would say boo.

But that's not what you want, is it? You want everyone to do the same as you do, and - face facts - not enough people want to, or else they would already be doing it, now wouldn't they? (See St Andrew and St Patrick.)

Reidy's right, there are national holidays all over the world - Anzac Day, July 4, July 14 - but they have grown into national holidays because people appropriated them as ones (Anzac Day was originally a Remembrance Day which became an unofficial national holiday, July 4 is Independence Day, July 14 is Bastille Day).

So why didn't the English (especially the rightwing ones) appropriate Bonfire Night (a good White Anglo-Saxon Protestant holiday with an anti-Euro subtext if ever there was one)?

What are you talking about? Are you English? Do you listen to people's views on the radio? Do you read newspapers condemning the Prime Minister for not flying the Flag during St George's Day? Teachers being told they are not allowed to fly flags during sporting events?