Summer transfer window 2023

[ToffeeScot]

…Dyche never played Maupay last season when we desperately needed points and had no central striker worthy of starting in DCLs continued absence.

It looks like Maupay has got himself fitter this season (which suggests he’s a poor professional not being in shape last season) but after yesterday I suspect Dyche will try Danjuma ahead of him.

Aside from his finishing which we can all agree was terrible, I don't think people can have an issue with Maupay and his graft yesterday. He was working hard and getting into the right positions and the ones which Dyche wants from his forwards so I think it was pretty fair for him to start on that basis. If Maupay had scored one of those chances we would probably all be saying he had a good game. If Danjuma can match that though fitness wise he will be starting as he's probably the better finisher.

 

[StuckToffee1987]

Kev’s still hustling away - love how the “striker and a winger” of the halcyon days of the end of July is slowly morphing into “experienced striker”. Need to get Gray “Dyche fit” for September then, lads.

 

[StuckToffee1987]

Kev’s still hustling away - love how the “striker and a winger” of the halcyon days of the end of July is slowly morphing into “experienced striker”. Need to get Gray “Dyche fit” for September then, lads.

Sorry he didn’t do “Gaffer’s Day” so he doesn’t count. Our board’s attraction to vain managers who do things “their way” over the last 10 years is highly reflective of the vainity that pervades at the top of the club.

 

[NathDogg]

Only thing that concerns me with Ekitike and Gnonto rumours are Dyche’s quotes. He’s clearly wanting more experienced players while the club are chasing younger players. Not a huge concern but hope that both management and recruitment team are working closely.

Biggest issue I have with the man, is his insistence on playing “experience”.

Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s done a fine job since coming in, but to constantly select Keane and maupay hurts us. Playing the experienced players has got us in the mess, back under Benitez and Lampard.

Yesterday, I think we win that game if branthwaite and cannon/danjuma start in their places.

Trust the younger players and see what happens - they cannot perform any worse than the experienced lads.

 

[blueconverse]

I wasn't a big fan of Adams but after seeing Maupay pretend to be a footballer yesterday I would get on the phone to Southampton now. Also don't be buying Gnonto if we don't have a starting striker you gang of tits.

 

[Zatara]

…ah, so you now agree that the failure to bring in an effective striker cost us a win yesterday. Phew.

Not quite. To answer in full:

1: Thelwell is responsible for signing a center forward.

A: He's signed Chermiti (the backup).

B: Hes got just over 2 weeks left before we can judge his summer window performance

C: We dont know how much he has or what deals are being blocked by Dyche, Kenwright and Moshiri.

D: El Bilal Toure would have been perfect. It points to him being able to pick the right type out.


2: Dyche picks the team.

A: He knows Maupay and Iwobi cant hit a barn door.

B: He knows we need to protect Keane (who let him down last season many times) and Gana cant pass.

-- He picks all four of those players to start.

C: Danjuma on the bench with a 1 in 2 scoring record at centre forward + Cannon coming off a loan where he scored consistently were not selected ahead of a non-scoring forward.


My view is that Dyche can setup a team. He simply cant make in game changes or pick the right players to start.

He is an idiot this week.

 

[Simon Buttle]

Biggest issue I have with the man, is his insistence on playing “experience”.

Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s done a fine job since coming in, but to constantly select Keane and maupay hurts us. Playing the experienced players has got us in the mess, back under Benitez and Lampard.

Yesterday, I think we win that game if branthwaite and cannon/danjuma start in their places.

Trust the younger players and see what happens - they cannot perform any worse than the experienced lads.

I get that he is that type of British manager who is always going to go for PL experience and slightly older players as a preference but what he needs to understand at the same time is that we have gone down that road many, many times in the past at this club and it has never worked for us. There needs to be a compromise somewhere.

 

[Zatara]

I wasn't a big fan of Adams but after seeing Maupay pretend to be a footballer yesterday I would get on the phone to Southampton now. Also don't be buying Gnonto if we don't have a starting striker you gang of tits.

In the four attacking positions we have McNeil, Iwobi, Doucoure and Maupay.

3 need to be replaced of which 2 are out of contract next season.

We need Gnonto + 2 more.

 

[Eggs]

Aside from his finishing which we can all agree was terrible, I don't think people can have an issue with Maupay and his graft yesterday. He was working hard and getting into the right positions and the ones which Dyche wants from his forwards so I think it was pretty fair for him to start on that basis. If Maupay had scored one of those chances we would probably all be saying he had a good game. If Danjuma can match that though fitness wise he will be starting as he's probably the better finisher.

….it’s all good and we’ll saying he got on the end of a few chances but a different player might have had even more. It’s often more about what a player doesn’t do.

Maupay wasn’t in the top third for a number of our breaks because he wasn’t able to match the speed. A different option with better physicality would’ve been more productive. Maupay still lacks quality in most parts of his game. He’s just not very good.

 

[NathDogg]

I get that he is that type of British manager who is always going to go for PL experience and slightly older players as a preference but what he needs to understand at the same time is that we have gone down that road many, many times in the past at this club and it has never worked for us. There needs to be a compromise somewhere.

Totally agree - the right kind of proven, older “experience” i.e Tarkowski and young is fine, who were both consistent and playing well before joining us, and have done ok for us since they joined.

The experience we have opted for in the past, and who Dyche has selected, isn’t fit for purpose, and has been proven ineffective, so play the younger lads.

 

[ToffeeScot]

….it’s all good and we’ll saying he got on the end of a few chances but a different player might have had even more. It’s often more about what a player doesn’t do.

Maupay wasn’t in the top third for a number of our breaks because he wasn’t able to match the speed. A different option with better physicality would’ve been more productive. Maupay still lacks quality in most parts of his game. He’s just not very good.

I don't disagree, but what he did overall was enough to have won the game aside from his finishing. I doubt Danjuma (fitness wise) or Cannon (ability wise) would have been able to give much more yesterday. The future is different and of course another striker will offer more.

 

[Bebeto]

Aside from his finishing which we can all agree was terrible, I don't think people can have an issue with Maupay and his graft yesterday. He was working hard and getting into the right positions and the ones which Dyche wants from his forwards so I think it was pretty fair for him to start on that basis. If Maupay had scored one of those chances we would probably all be saying he had a good game. If Danjuma can match that though fitness wise he will be starting as he's probably the better finisher.

A striker in the premier league should be able to put one of those chances away. Being in a good position doesn't justify his position in the team. He is just a terrible footballer that shouldn't be playing his trade in the premier league. He has had now plenty of opportunities and he is still not delivering...not one good performance, with the exception of his only goal against west ham last year. If dcl would have missed those chances yesterday, he would have got also a fair amount of abuse...the reality is that dcl on one leg is still a lot better than this footballer.

 

[Evertonthat]

See, I keep hearing this. However this is the current situation.

Lukaku has been told by Chelsea he is not wanted
He has said he wants to stay in the Premier League
He has messed it up with Inter and now even Juventus don’t want him
He is a proven premier league player.
He was great at us and arguably played his best ever football.
Chelsea would surly let us have him.
I would offer a loan with obligation to buy next year for like 25/30m and make him our highest paid player, just get him in.

Surely theres a conversation to be had here.

I'm not sure if Lukaku has the work rate Dyche would want but theres no doubting hes more capable than our current options.

The only other sticking point would be the wages, but Chelsea would surely have to subsidize that for the remainder of his contract.

 

[TyphooToffee]

Zat, people conveniently forget this. 2021/22 we were in the position we were in because of having a shoddy defence and no midfield*, so it was a priority.

Due to what occurred with Richarlison leaving and Dom being injured, we had to bring a forward in too, but the defence and midfield were bigger problems.

Thelwell and co. now are hopefully trying to deal with the glaring deficiency up front, and if they are unable to/don't do that then they deserve criticism this year.

*A rubbish manager, too.

Considering our two best forwards were you unavailable I think we did OK yesterday. If we weren't creating chances then I'd be worried. I blatant misuse - or unuse - of VAR and a striker so out of form it's a wonder he has the confidence to tie his bootlaces was all that prevented a 4-0 halftime lead.

 

[ToffeeScot]

A striker in the premier league should be able to put one of those chances away. Being in a good position doesn't justify his position in the team. He is just a terrible footballer that shouldn't be playing his trade in the premier league. He has had now plenty of opportunities and he is still not delivering...not one good performance, with the exception of his only goal against west ham last year. If dcl would have missed those chances yesterday, he would have got also a fair amount of abuse...the reality is that dcl on one leg is still a lot better than this footballer.

DCL/Danjuma weren't fully fit. Cannon, although he did well last season at Preston clearly isn't considered ready yet by Dyche. Going forward if we have other options available then yes, I'd rather they played instead of Maupay but I think yesterday under the circumstances he was the best option which says more about our recruitment than it does about Dyche and Maupay.