Summer Transfer Window 2017

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The Rhino said:
The problem is Dolberg will want first team football whilst we seem hell bent on keeping Rom. Unless Koeman is going to go 4-3-3 I can't see how we will be bringing any forward in who isn't a clear back up sub player like Valencia.
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It is his preferred formation and I'm sure he will buy the players to suit it more often than not! Tbf it's what we play now but he gives the wide players license to roam in side as the likes of Barkley & DCL for example aren't wingers or wide forwards.
 

blue to the bone said:
Fair enough mate. But just saying that it's not a guaranteed success as the original poster was making
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Oh I know mate. Same can be said about any GK, Pickford may well of done well at times for Sunderland but then could get a move and turn out like Richard Wright?! I mean look at him, had a couple of good seasons back to back at Ipswich, one in championship, the other in the prem and Arsenal bought him and he didn't look the same player and then we bought him and he was no better.
 

kenada_blue said:
@hetion has a point but like you say, it's passing on responsibility to another player other than Barkley.

In that respect, you probably will get more out of each player as they'll be able to concentrate on what they're good at.

RE Rooney, he's still a shade above what we have and will more effective in the final 3rd when we're a little hit and miss.

As for pace. Depending on who he gets as a replacement for Rom, Bolasie will play a bigger part. Ross (if here) will probably get more freedom. We're not overly reliant on pace and I think getting another option on the bench will help.
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I don't think Barkley will be with us next season, but that's just my hunch.

And if he was to stay and we go on and buy in the players Koeman wants, where does he fit in? Personally I don't think Koeman trusts Barkley in CM and it shows seen has though Barkley as been shifted out wide to accommodate the midfield 3 we currently play. He got his chance there last weekend due to injuries and what have you and fluffed his chance imo by having a poor game. And it's not just the one game, when he was used more centrally in a more advanced position, the No.10 role you could say in the first part of the season, he was generally poor and Koeman dropped him.

He's ended up wide right of a forward 3 with a free role to roam and done better but is he the long term solution out there? Will he want to play out there for the rest of Koeman' tenure at the club? I can't see it! And I think Koeman will look to bring in a player for down the right, maybe even the left aswell as with Bolasie out injured, Lookman still raw and Mirallas way too inconsistent, were a bit weak down there imo.

And we've all seen Koeman say he wants a midfielder with 8-12 goals in him a season and other attacking additions to take some of the goal scoring burden away as our current attacking players aren't contributing enough so where does or where will Barkley fit in?

I'm honestly not sure where he does?! As a CM he's not better than any of Schneiderlin, Gueye or Davies in what they bring in a Koeman system. Koeman wants a goalscoring CM and he's not that. And he's not a natural wide player and when he plays there he wants to always come inside and we lack width out on the right which I think in the long term Koeman won't want and Koeman will want attacking players that get in the box more and offer more of a goal threat and Barkley doesn't offer that enough either so I personally struggle to see where he would fit in next season IF Koeman gets in the players that he wants?!....
 
bluestevon said:
Yet the signing that looks very like happening is going to be a 23yo keeper mate, which kind of casts doubt on the veracity of what he stated - he also on embargo stuff apparently stated that Walsh and him both have their own agendas on what type of player (age etc) and that Walsh focus is on the 'future' of the team, which instantly opens up the possibility of player out of that 26-29 age bracket.

Reading between the lines - i think Koeman is sending out a 'get me my priority' targets to the board again - maybe VVD or the like

If Dolberg for example is available (which all Ajax players are in reality) for 20-30m and Koeman isn't interested because he's too young, then it's a massive flaw in him as a manager, look past the age and see the player and what he can offer regardless of age.

In short - we don't need to sign loads of young gems, we just need to ensure we sign the bets of them that are available
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We'll see what happens Steve.

People (not you) seem to be thinking we're going on this mass FM-style spending spree.

As you said, we'll get the best players available that suit the style, age won't come into that as a major factor, though we won't be going out and buying loads of U23s (even in the Echo article, Koeman pretty much says as much).

As you also rightly said, Pickford (seems to be happening) comes into that category of the best for the role we want to fill, and has the added bonus that he's at a really good age to also build for the future.
 
Swerve Defoe lads please. Playing in Canada not two years ago and has had his Indian Summer at Sunderland. Legs gone.
 
BlueToff said:
We'll see what happens Steve.

People (not you) seem to be thinking we're going on this mass FM-style spending spree.

As you said, we'll get the best players available that suit the style, age won't come into that as a major factor, though we won't be going out and buying loads of U23s (even in the Echo article, Koeman pretty much says as much).

As you also rightly said, Pickford (seems to be happening) comes into that category of the best for the role we want to fill, and has the added bonus that he's at a really good age to also build for the future.
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It's all about finding a balance, we sign a lot of players in the range of 27-29 for example, and the rest are very untested kids like Lookman and DCL etc, then we could be facing a lot of money spent and in two years time a squad with the majority - again - the wrong side of 30 and with the younger players possibly not developing to a high enough standard.

Buying youth is good, but the 'punts' on lower league players has to be balanced by calculated purchases of players just breaking through and on the verge of becoming special players (Dolberg and Tielemans both come into that category)

Pickford is a good start on that front, and whilst we arent gonna be spunking 300m or silly numbers on transfers, we should find a balance of spending on proven players - and spending on those who have the potential of far exceeding those proven players.

For example - for every Rooney type signing - it has to be balanced with a Dolberg, for every Williams - it needs to be balanced by a Keane etc
 

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