Summer Transfer Window 2017

[toffeejack]

Wales Ramsay yes please, Arsenal Ramsay no thanks

The Wales one actually plays in his right position. The man does need a good move for his career and could be a bargain find, but he's to injury prone for my liking.

 

[hktoffee]

..this mornings reports indicate Keane is off to the Reds and we're looking at alternatives like Maguire;

https://www.clubcall.com/everton/tigers-star-on-radar-1849648.html

Don't rate him at this moment. He looks really slow and clumsy. Low calibre too.

 

[bluestevon]

He'd have to sell Lovren at a loss to create room for VVD. FSG won't want to do that. They've also got Gomez who won't want to be blocked and Sakho still on the books as well as Klavan. From FSG's point of view they've shelled out millions on players under Rodgers and Dalglish and they've not produced. They're probably tired of managers coming to them saying they haven't got a squad when they've turfed out half the players. I'll be gobsmacked if Liverpool drop 40 mill on a CB. I'll be gobsmacked if we do it. I can see him at City or Chelsea where he would walk into the team.

They'll sell Sakho and will bring in a cb for a similar amount they get for him - around 20m or so - maybe someone like Gibson, or Howedes etc, but wouldn't surprise me either if he just got asome 'decent' level cb from Germany for 10m or so

Will we pay it? Dunno mate, i think if we could get him then we would do, Koeman seemed to prioritise bringing in a quality one last summer and tried again in the january by all reports, so yeah think we'd back him for VVD but the effect that would have on the rest of the transfer activity i have no idea. IF Chelsea or City 'really' want him then we'd have very little chance ofc, but not convinced that either will do

 

[bluestevon]

Marseille interested in giroud for £20m apparently. Would love us to chuck in a bid just a bit higher than that.

I'm not gonna worry about an Arsenal players injury record mate, a fair few of them have had that problem and moved on from the club and 'rediscovered' their fitness subsequently

 

[Nymzee]

Thanks for the info, think they are a team definitely worth taking a look at

Both of their full-backs - Dalbert on the left and Ricardo (on loan from Porto) on the right have been brilliant this season.

 

[Naval Blue]

Both of their full-backs - Dalbert on the left and Ricardo (on loan from Porto) on the right have been brilliant this season.

Porto want that Ricardo back though don't they? He would cost a bit buying from Porto

 

[bluestevon]

The Wales one actually plays in his right position. The man does need a good move for his career and could be a bargain find, but he's to injury prone for my liking.

That's my point mate, you sign him then you sign him to play his best position rather than doing what Arsenal have done a lot of the time.

Always liked Ramsay a lot though, a lot of similar qualities to what Arteta had at his very best, IF you sign him then sign him to play as an attacking mid though

 

[Nymzee]

So you'd not be interested to sign 4 players touted as being future England internationals?

Who are the superstar prospects we have in abundance which means we wouldn't want top English youth prospects?

Buy ready-made quality first then go for prospects. If we end up the summer with only prospects we are absolutely screwed no matter how good they might become. We can't wait 5 years for a team of potential to mature.

 

[Nymzee]

Porto want that Ricardo back though don't they? He would cost a bit buying from Porto

Well they'll probably want to keep him but they're still in debt so would likely sell. However buying off them costs a bomb. Dalbert, on the other hand, much cheaper option to replace Baines.

 

[bluestevon]

Ramsey was amazing 3 years ago....what happened to him? Other than the euros he seems to have been quiet....

Plays out of position deeper or wider nearly all the time, also had a fair few injuries over the time mate

 

[catcherintherye]

It's not even that mate, it's just numbers plucked from thin air, they have to do these silly numbers - otherwise they can't then run stories linking x,y,z with these teams for ridiculous amounts.

Reality is this.

Liverpool - net spend 2.3m (overall spend 69m)
Spurs - net spend 34m (overall spend 70m)
Arsenal net spend 84m (overall spend 96m)
Chelsea net spend 87m (overall spend 122m)
United net spend 143m (overall spend 149m)
City net spend 155m (overall spend 174m)
Everton net spend -2m (overall spend 45m)

Chelsea recouped 65.5m in January in sales
United recouped 41m in sales
Spurs recouped 5m in sales
City spent an additional 27m
Arsenal, Liverpool had no activity
Everton spent an additional 31m


So balancing the figures out for the year to see how much each team actually invested

City - 182m
United - 101m
Arsenal - 84m
Everton - 29m
Spurs - 29m
Chelsea - 21m
Liverpool - minus 2m

In terms of how each club could fund the supposed 'warchests' being bandied about, it can only come via a few ways, the owners bankrolling them, from player sales, or a sudden decision to change the normal strategy of the club and throw a huge amount at the transfer market (which is very rare)

The normal position for each of the clubs listed is this

City - Bankrolled by owners
United and Arsenal - invest part of the huge amount the club generates due to it's massive commercial earnings
Spurs - spend according to their means - normally moderate, this seasons increase was due to the added champions league revenue - otherwise they would have had a zero net spend, big spends from them normally the result of player sales
Liverpool - player sales
Everton - player sales

The Champions league generates about for the winner of the entire thing roughly 45m, about 30m for a semi finalist, last 16 about 18m or so. get into the CL and go out in the group stage - you will earn about 12m or so maximum (figures from last season), those figures can be multiplied up by about 80% for a team from England, Spain or the other Big nations due to revenue distribution for the market pool.

So for Arsenal as a good example as they go out the same point each year - the CL is worth about 35m for them, Spurs this year - it'd be worth about 20m maximum.

The real benefit in the CL is in the commercial deals - which to get them you need to start qualifying regularly and for that to coincide with those commercial deals to be up for renegotiation.

Look at each club now.

City - yeah they could easily go and spend 250m without breaking sweat, without recouping much in sales etc

United - similarly due to the earnings of the club - they could do similar, but looking at them closer, they are unlikely to give a blank cheque and will recoup a lot of what they invest through selling players (they have a big enough squad to be able to do that successfully though), but to think they will be spending 80-100m on multiple players is fantasy land, anything more than one statement signing will be funded by players sales offsetting the incoming costs, and if they don't get CL then they will take a absolutely massive financial hit in some sponsors deals being dramatically reduced which will impact their spending.

Arsenal - a club that will not go above certain levels of spending as the owner simply won't risk that much money, Wenger will stay and is loath to sell players to increase his kitty so to speak, it'll be the exact same situation they always have, some moderate level signings in, a decent net spend - but nothing earth shaking.

Spurs - will repeat the same again, several fringe player sales, several squad player funded by the added CL money and hoping that the young teams natural development will push them over the line, they have a massively costly stadium to fund, they will not be throwing 'monopoly' money at players. The cost of keeping this young team together and all the new contracts will have massively eaten away at their spending power too.

Liverpool, they have owners who have a model and to think that they will go from a net spend negative to throwing 200m in investment at the team is amusing from the media, they are also seriously running out of players to sell to fund their buying as well, last two seasons has seen them go from having a very large squad to it being down to the bare bones, this summer will see the last of the 'expendable' players being offloaded to give Klopp moderate resources to bring in players.

Everton - We are the only team out the lot with a new owner who apparently is trying to push us on a level, as such it's really an unknown what we have and what we will do, he could do a 'mini city' and throw short term a huge amount at us, equally we could end up selling to buy only this summer will show us really.

All the talks about 80m here and 70m there on 3-4 p;layers being bandied about in the media for all those teams is laughable, especially as most of those players linked won't actually solve the glaring weaknesses in the teams as they are just high profile clickbait players

Anyway long, rambling and probably nonsensical post over

I think this is a pertinent post. I also think the narrative downplays the centrality of Steve Walsh. I doubt very much our signings all be made up of guys who are in full public awareness 3 months before the window opens. I think you will see a lot of surprises.

 

[nsno-chris]

If I'm not wrong;
17 year old Cholobah was Feeney's centre back partner for England and is now in the u19s (7caps) same as Davies...who wouldn't want him lol

Baker is on loan at Vitesse, scored 1 every 4 games and from the (very little) ive seen looks good also 7goals in 13 games from midfield for England u21s...was very highly rated by mourinho.

Abraham...of course i'd want him.

I'd hope we look to approach Chelsea for them even if we keep Lukaku...also Solanke is out of contract too.

Exactly how does signing really top prospects stifle our own youth players? If that's the case then 1st team signings and any walsh buys for the u23s do the same.

If we were somehow able to obtain 3 or 4 (or even 1 or 2) top English prospects who are the best in their age group we should do so

Because we've just won the league so we have our own prospects who deserve a shout more than some Chelsea cast off.

 

[bluestevon]

I think this is a pertinent post. I also think the narrative downplays the centrality of Steve Walsh. I doubt very much our signings all be made up of guys who are in full public awareness 3 months before the window opens. I think you will see a lot of surprises.

It'll be interesting to say the least, we will reduce the squad to a really small size when the loanies end up getting flogged and a few of the older players leave this summer, need to be smart on who we bring in and where we spend the bigger fees

 

[catcherintherye]

17 games and 1 goal in the prem + conte seems to do anything not to use him...

I'd take Abraham (and lewis baker + T.Chalobah) and go and sign Dolberg myself

He's had a difficult season and those numbers don't look great. A lot of them are sub appearances mind with a lot under 5 minutes at the end of the game. He's only played 127 minutes this season in the league and while we should avoid generalising on his goal return (i.e. he'll score a goal every 127 minutes) and can say it's telling he's been used so infrequently I do think with younger players you have to give them the benefit of the doubt on a poor move every now and then.

You are seeing its of talented lads go to our top teams who have lots of money and it not work out. Iehaniacho this season, Martial, Shaw , Schneiderlin, to name just a few. There is an enormous knee-jerk reaction amongst supporters these days to view each player on the last season rather than a wider trajectory. This is enhanced when their failing happens in England as it's close to home. As I said, had he gone to Bayern and not succeeded because of the distance I do wonder if people would be more acquiescent to his form?

I would have him in spite of him record this season. I've always felt a slightly damaged product (and in this case footballer) is a good time to recruit as often their value plummets further than normally expected. We were successful at this under Moyes. I also think the transfer could be completed easily for a good fee and is a bit less risk than Dolberg (who i think will be more expensive and harder to prize away). That being said I'm not against Dolberg either!

As for the other two lads, I have to say I have serious reservations about Chelsea youth players in general. They seem to be told how amazing they are for much of their youth career and seem to get favourable treatment by FA youth teams. I think they struggle to kick on and are overrated. This is enhanced by Chelsea looking to maximise profits out of them in sales. Look at Mceacran (spelling) Loftus Cheek, Bamford, Solanke, the older Chalobaloah brother etc. The list goes on but for the most part they flatter to deceive. It's a bit of a no from me.

 

[catcherintherye]

I think City, United, Arsenal and Chelsea will each make one 'BIG' signing mate

City - well because they are City and they can do, United because much like with Pogba - they need to do so to keep their name relevant as a major player still (especially if no CL footy for them), Chelsea - because they will lose Drogba to China and they will just reinvest that ridiculous fee and Arsenal in order to try get the fans off Wengers back at least initially and to cover them for ,losing Sanchez.

But City aside, think after that one big purchase the rest will be made up predominantly from players in being largely covered by player sales.

But look at each of those teams now and Chelsea alone need to spend a large amount just to bulk out the squad - never mind improving the first team - otherwise they will struggle hugely next season with CL, City need new fullbacks and a new central midfield due to those players ageing badly, not counting the Aguero weird situation, the keeper situation and the centre back problems. united now not only need that new number 9 but will need a new number ten as well, before getting into other problems they have like Carrick being past it and them only having one quality centre back, and Arsenal just look in a total mess with their two best players looking like wanting to leave - before you even address the huge problems they already have in some positions.

Players like Ramsay I'd have in a heartbeat, a bit like Schneiderlin, he's quality but is either not played or played out of position too often, we should target anyone of that ilk who is deemed surplus at a team whod rather spunk 50m on the latest flavour of the month from abroad.

I like Ramsay and is the right sort of profile of player to look at (IE lads who have fallen our of favour in the player banking of the top teams). That being said, the one area of the pitch we are well stocked is his position. I can't see him coming straight into our team currently.