Substitution Logic

[GrandOldTeam]

A fair few times this season Moyes has intentionally held back a substitution to avoid making a change at the same time as the opposition.

He did it at Liverpool and notoriously at West Ham.

Now, I can understand it your looking to tick down the clock, but we've done it at home to bottom of the league opposition.

Can anyone shed any light on the reasoning behind the likes of that today? It drives me insane.

Beckford was ready to come on when Mikel did on the 85th minute for Lampard, only to be held back until the next stoppage in play on the 86th minute.

What's that all about? What am I missing?

 

[Tubey]

A fair few times this season Moyes has intentionally held back a substitution to avoid making a change at the same time as the opposition.

He did it at Liverpool and notoriously at West Ham.

Now, I can understand it your looking to tick down the clock, but we've done it at home to bottom of the league opposition.

Can anyone shed any light on the reasoning behind the likes of that today? It drives me insane.

Beckford was ready to come on when Mikel did on the 85th minute for Lampard, only to be held back until the next stoppage in play on the 86th minute.

What's that all about? What am I missing?

I don't know. Honestly don't know. Moyes has zero tactical substitution awareness.

Although to be fair, I couldn't see a relevant change to be made today. We played well, Moyes didn't want to upset the shape.

 

[chicoazul]

He was probably wanting to see if their sub would alter their formation mate.

Get off his back, I know you're wanting Jol but lets give him this season.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

He was probably wanting to see if their sub would alter their formation mate.

Get off his back, I know you're wanting Jol but lets give him this season.

In all seriousness, that's clearly not the case.

It's like some sort of weird superstition. Bizarre.

 

[Neiler]

Have to agree, Beckford coming on was to late, to be fair he prob wanted to give it ten minutes after they scored to see how we would react, its easy to conceade again just after you loose one aginst the run of play.

But overall i would have to agree with you.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

I assumed it was because we were defending a throw in so didn't want to make a change then.

 

[chicoazul]

In all seriousness, that's clearly not the case.

It's like some sort of weird superstition. Bizarre.

How? I reckon it was. They pushed Essien further up but it was a variable wasn't it?

We should be praising Moyes for getting the formation spot on today, reverting to a 4-5-1 with Rodwell tucked in.

 

[faddy the blue]

I don't know. Honestly don't know. Moyes has zero tactical substitution awareness.

Although to be fair, I couldn't see a relevant change to be made today. We played well, Moyes didn't want to upset the shape.

Enough said.

 

[Tubey]

How? I reckon it was. They pushed Essien further up but it was a variable wasn't it?

We should be praising Moyes for getting the formation spot on today, reverting to a 4-5-1 with Rodwell tucked in.

That's the problem though isn't it? He's reactive, not proactive.

He got it right tactically today from the start but he really isn't a mid-game tactician, never has been and never will be.

Really good performance overall today though.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I assumed it was because we were defending a throw in so didn't want to make a change then.

I've tried my best to comprehend the logic - I figured that was the case at Liverpool when he held back Bily for 10 seconds after Liverpool brought on Shelvey for Meireles (like for like, so not a case of seeing if system changed) but there was no change at all in play from when he did bring Bily on to when he could have done seconds earlier.

 

[chicoazul]

Well if you're making a sub and the other team holds up the board and makes a sub at the same time it's probably worth letting the passage of play go one more time before going ahead, I'd call it prudent to be honest.

 

[Muggins]

Moyes was refreshing the GOT match thread, and went back to check if we defo wanted Beckford on.

This caused a 120 second delay.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

How? I reckon it was. They pushed Essien further up but it was a variable wasn't it?

We should be praising Moyes for getting the formation spot on today, reverting to a 4-5-1 with Rodwell tucked in.

What about when Bily was held back when Liverpool made the blatant like for like change with Shelvey for Meireles?

If he brought Shelvey on for Torres or Kuyt, would Bily have not came on?.... I don't think so.

And anyway, as a home side, if your going to make a change - be assertive with it.

 

[RFUS]

Well if you're making a sub and the other team holds up the board and makes a sub at the same time it's probably worth letting the passage of play go one more time before going ahead, I'd call it prudent to be honest.

Yeah but if we're making the sub in the first place, why don't the others teams do that?

Maybe we can put this alongside the handholding set piece strategy, as a weird thing Moyes does that no one else does.

 

[Phenom]

How? I reckon it was. They pushed Essien further up but it was a variable wasn't it?

We should be praising Moyes for getting the formation spot on today, reverting to a 4-5-1 with Rodwell tucked in.

This!