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I'm getting my tin hat ready, but...
...we all loved Graham Stuart, right? I think they are basically the same player. Intelligent, versatile, good in the air, good finisher....and make up for deficiencies in ability with effort. Put Stuart in today's squad and we'd say the same thing about him than we say about Naismith. I loved Bobby Stuart...if there was any justice he would have scored the cup final goal, not Rideout
...we all loved Graham Stuart, right? I think they are basically the same player. Intelligent, versatile, good in the air, good finisher....and make up for deficiencies in ability with effort. Put Stuart in today's squad and we'd say the same thing about him than we say about Naismith. I loved Bobby Stuart...if there was any justice he would have scored the cup final goal, not Rideout
Arteta2391
Player Valuation: £30m
Kind of reminds me if Jelavic was a CAM or support striker
had a nice run of constantly scoring, but not consistent enough.
had a nice run of constantly scoring, but not consistent enough.
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
If we just look at ability then i cant actually understand why people want to keep Naismith? He's clearly not got the basic requirements that suit our style of play and infact negates attacks due to his lack of ability on the ball compared to the players around him.
As others have said, he'd be ideal for a Bounemouth or a Sunderland who need a player like him.
Where exactly is he supposed to play for us? Backup to Lukaku or Barkley i suppose but he is nowhere near their quality...
To me, it makes far more sense to now look for £8-10mil from another club and move him on. With the TV money increasing and other factors we should be able to easily add to that amount and sign someone to PROVIDE COMPETITION to Barkley and/or Lukaku instead of a backup.
@Layne i'm lost on your Chelsea game comment basically saying if he wasnt playing we would have drawn? If we replaced him with a far superior player who fitted Martinez style better then how do we know the scoreline wouldnt have still been in our favour and we would more likely have more points now on the board now as well...
I'm sure he's great to have around the squad personality wise but surely the incoming player will also have his temperament researched and if top quality would provide a lift to the squad.
I doubt John Stones or Lukaku are thinking to stay at Everton because Naismith is a "nice chap" but perhaps would do if a top player was brought in...
As others have said, he'd be ideal for a Bounemouth or a Sunderland who need a player like him.
Where exactly is he supposed to play for us? Backup to Lukaku or Barkley i suppose but he is nowhere near their quality...
To me, it makes far more sense to now look for £8-10mil from another club and move him on. With the TV money increasing and other factors we should be able to easily add to that amount and sign someone to PROVIDE COMPETITION to Barkley and/or Lukaku instead of a backup.
@Layne i'm lost on your Chelsea game comment basically saying if he wasnt playing we would have drawn? If we replaced him with a far superior player who fitted Martinez style better then how do we know the scoreline wouldnt have still been in our favour and we would more likely have more points now on the board now as well...
I'm sure he's great to have around the squad personality wise but surely the incoming player will also have his temperament researched and if top quality would provide a lift to the squad.
I doubt John Stones or Lukaku are thinking to stay at Everton because Naismith is a "nice chap" but perhaps would do if a top player was brought in...
Your point makes no sense as Lukaku is a far superior player who fits Martinez's style yet was woeful in that game and fell over his own feet numerous times. You need horses for courses and Naismith for all his limitations can score against the big boys
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
League games just off wiki...this goalscoring threat is a real myth when looking at overall seasons...and other than running around and scoring this amount of goals he offers little playing wise.
2012/13 - Played 31 = 4 goals
2013/14 - Played 31 = 5 goals
2014/15 - Played 31 = 6 goals
2015/16 - Played 9 = 3 goals
I think a better player than Naismith would improve the team and even if he didnt score himself would improve our attacking threat allowing others to score.
Saying lukaku was dreadful so a better player than Naismith may not have scored 3 goals is fair enough. He may well have done though, also other players may have done...its all hypothetical. Naismith did it and well played...fantastic, but thats a one off game. Does that also mean if McGeady had a great game we should keep him?
What seems clear to me is that we need a better player than Naismith to compete with Lukaku /Barkley and not just be a backup. We need to continuously keep improving the quality behind the 1st eleven.
2012/13 - Played 31 = 4 goals
2013/14 - Played 31 = 5 goals
2014/15 - Played 31 = 6 goals
2015/16 - Played 9 = 3 goals
I think a better player than Naismith would improve the team and even if he didnt score himself would improve our attacking threat allowing others to score.
Saying lukaku was dreadful so a better player than Naismith may not have scored 3 goals is fair enough. He may well have done though, also other players may have done...its all hypothetical. Naismith did it and well played...fantastic, but thats a one off game. Does that also mean if McGeady had a great game we should keep him?
What seems clear to me is that we need a better player than Naismith to compete with Lukaku /Barkley and not just be a backup. We need to continuously keep improving the quality behind the 1st eleven.
You've gone black and white with his appearance stats, I like that. Makes him look like he played more than he did.
In 12/13 and 13/14, he STARTED 13 games and made 18 sub appearances. Played about 1300 minutes, that's not even 15 full games.
He's a useful squad player, good finisher and a fighter. That's why I like him in the squad as an option.
Eric Djemba-Djemba
Player Valuation: £60m
A part of me dies every time I see his name on the team sheet. What an absolute mess of a footballer he is.
Think he's something different, mate. He's a work horse who'll come on, challenge for every ball, play rough, is good in the air and will wind the opposition right up.
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
Yes, he's not had that many starts as i've put down for league games. Personally i think if we used starts/sub appearances and even just minutes it would show much less game time (i could have gone down that route as well) which would indicate he's backup and not real "competition" for Lukaku/Barkley etc.
Clearly our opinions differ. I respect his energy and like you say he's an all action "fighter" with a great work ethic....
I'd still replace a 30 year old like that with real competition for other starters who if rotated we would be confident they would consistently put in good performances and benefit the team.
If we had lots of cash then perhaps Naismith could be an option from the bench, thing is that we dont compared to the sides we are competing with at the top end so we need to try and improve our squad with what we have and for me, that means selling Naismith and adding some cash on top for another player.
Nothing at all against him..
Clearly our opinions differ. I respect his energy and like you say he's an all action "fighter" with a great work ethic....
I'd still replace a 30 year old like that with real competition for other starters who if rotated we would be confident they would consistently put in good performances and benefit the team.
If we had lots of cash then perhaps Naismith could be an option from the bench, thing is that we dont compared to the sides we are competing with at the top end so we need to try and improve our squad with what we have and for me, that means selling Naismith and adding some cash on top for another player.
Nothing at all against him..
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
Agreed.
I suppose in simplistic terms what im thinking is, what if Lukaku (god forbid) was out for a few games...lets say Naismith started. I dont think anyone would have much confidence in him there consistently.
If we had £8-10mil for him and added some on top of that (or Martinez pulls off some magic) we could improve on quality and have competition for Lukaku as opposed to backup.
I think at the moment we need to do this because we are so short in this area and cant really afford £15mil on a forward due to other areas needing strengthening...but if we sold Naismith we could perhaps add £5-7mil for that £15mil forward...
I suppose in simplistic terms what im thinking is, what if Lukaku (god forbid) was out for a few games...lets say Naismith started. I dont think anyone would have much confidence in him there consistently.
If we had £8-10mil for him and added some on top of that (or Martinez pulls off some magic) we could improve on quality and have competition for Lukaku as opposed to backup.
I think at the moment we need to do this because we are so short in this area and cant really afford £15mil on a forward due to other areas needing strengthening...but if we sold Naismith we could perhaps add £5-7mil for that £15mil forward...
Coffee and TV
Player Valuation: £25m
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...everton-steven-naismith-admits-might-10575782
Everton: Steven Naismith admits he might have to quit Blues
Scot may seek January move as he struggles for minutes
Steven Naismith
Everton’s Steven Naismith has admitted that he might have to quit the Blues if he can’t get regular football under Roberto Martinez.
The Scottish international has endured a frustrating season so far at Goodison – despite netting a perfect hat-trick against Premier League champions Chelsea in September.
Norwich City had a £8million offer for Naismith on transfer deadline rejected but he hasn’t started a game since the 3-0 home defeat to Manchester United on October 17 with his only appearances since as a substitute in the Capital One Cup ties against Norwich City and Middlesbrough.
The 29-year-old said: “When Norwich were interested in me in the summer, it was the manager who said he didn’t want it to happen. But as a player you need to think about all your options.
“The manager said we’d speak about it again come January time so we’ll do that.
“At the moment I’m just concentrating on playing my football as part of a great squad and hopefully if I get my chance to play again, I take it.
“But you’ve got to weigh up all your options and see where you’re at.
“At the start of the season I wasn’t playing then got thrown on nine minutes into the Chelsea game and not many people would’ve seen me scoring a hat-trick. That shows you how quickly it can change.”
Everton's Steven Naismith (centre) celebrates his hat-trick with team-mate Aaron Lennon in front of the home fans during the Barclays Premier League match at Goodison Park Dave Thompson/PA Wire.
Naismith, who was speaking while back in Glasgow to sponsor a Christmas lunch organised by the Loaves and Fishes charity for the city’s homeless, admitted he’s found it challenging being forced to a role of understudy – along with the likes of Kevin Mirallas and Aaron Lennon – due to the form of Ross Barkley and Gerard Deulofeu and resurgence of Arouna Kone.
He said: “We’ve got a squad that is full of unbelievable young talent and when you’re not playing, it’s amazing to sit and watch these guys play with no fear,” said the Scot, who has tasted just four minutes of action in the last six weeks.
“But on the other side of it I’m frustrated that I can’t get into the team. Other times I’ve been out of the team it’s been because of injuries - but this time I’m fit every week, so it’s hard to deal with.
“However, as long as this good run goes I’m just going to have to get used to being on the bench.”
On top of his frustrations with the Blues, Naismith saw his hopes of reaching his first-ever major international tournament evaporate when Scotland failed to escape their Euro 2016 qualifying group.
A round of national soul searching followed that disappointment but Naismith is not ready to turn his back on Gordon Strachan’s squad.
He added: “I’ve not really thought about ending my Scotland career. I’ve enjoyed it all from my first cap against the Faroes back in 2007 right up until now.
“The last campaign was probably the cruellest campaign but we still believe that we can do something as a squad.
“There are maybe a few players that will have a look at their international career and think I’ve got a decision to make but the majority are coming into their prime so I can’t imagine there will be too many walking away.
“I don’t want to finish my career without having played at a major tournament so that is definitely a driving factor.
“The other Home Nations will be going to the Euros next summer and it’s frustrating that we won’t when we felt we were just as good, so that has got to drive us on in the future.”
Everton: Steven Naismith admits he might have to quit Blues
Scot may seek January move as he struggles for minutes
Steven Naismith
Everton’s Steven Naismith has admitted that he might have to quit the Blues if he can’t get regular football under Roberto Martinez.
The Scottish international has endured a frustrating season so far at Goodison – despite netting a perfect hat-trick against Premier League champions Chelsea in September.
Norwich City had a £8million offer for Naismith on transfer deadline rejected but he hasn’t started a game since the 3-0 home defeat to Manchester United on October 17 with his only appearances since as a substitute in the Capital One Cup ties against Norwich City and Middlesbrough.
The 29-year-old said: “When Norwich were interested in me in the summer, it was the manager who said he didn’t want it to happen. But as a player you need to think about all your options.
“The manager said we’d speak about it again come January time so we’ll do that.
“At the moment I’m just concentrating on playing my football as part of a great squad and hopefully if I get my chance to play again, I take it.
“But you’ve got to weigh up all your options and see where you’re at.
“At the start of the season I wasn’t playing then got thrown on nine minutes into the Chelsea game and not many people would’ve seen me scoring a hat-trick. That shows you how quickly it can change.”
Everton's Steven Naismith (centre) celebrates his hat-trick with team-mate Aaron Lennon in front of the home fans during the Barclays Premier League match at Goodison Park Dave Thompson/PA Wire.
Naismith, who was speaking while back in Glasgow to sponsor a Christmas lunch organised by the Loaves and Fishes charity for the city’s homeless, admitted he’s found it challenging being forced to a role of understudy – along with the likes of Kevin Mirallas and Aaron Lennon – due to the form of Ross Barkley and Gerard Deulofeu and resurgence of Arouna Kone.
He said: “We’ve got a squad that is full of unbelievable young talent and when you’re not playing, it’s amazing to sit and watch these guys play with no fear,” said the Scot, who has tasted just four minutes of action in the last six weeks.
“But on the other side of it I’m frustrated that I can’t get into the team. Other times I’ve been out of the team it’s been because of injuries - but this time I’m fit every week, so it’s hard to deal with.
“However, as long as this good run goes I’m just going to have to get used to being on the bench.”
On top of his frustrations with the Blues, Naismith saw his hopes of reaching his first-ever major international tournament evaporate when Scotland failed to escape their Euro 2016 qualifying group.
A round of national soul searching followed that disappointment but Naismith is not ready to turn his back on Gordon Strachan’s squad.
He added: “I’ve not really thought about ending my Scotland career. I’ve enjoyed it all from my first cap against the Faroes back in 2007 right up until now.
“The last campaign was probably the cruellest campaign but we still believe that we can do something as a squad.
“There are maybe a few players that will have a look at their international career and think I’ve got a decision to make but the majority are coming into their prime so I can’t imagine there will be too many walking away.
“I don’t want to finish my career without having played at a major tournament so that is definitely a driving factor.
“The other Home Nations will be going to the Euros next summer and it’s frustrating that we won’t when we felt we were just as good, so that has got to drive us on in the future.”
deipnosophist
Player Valuation: £80m
He has a lot of detractors, but by God, he doesn't half put a shift in...
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