Steve Walsh - no longer our Director of Football

Steve Walsh as DOF

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GwladysBlue said:
We have Leicester's magical DoF and he has spunked £239m up the wall.

Conte, their league winning manager, is currently st war over their transfer dealings.

Pep is one of the world's greatest managers. He wouldn't have some DoF telling him what he can and can't do with signings.

Fact is, DoF has very little success in England. I'm firmly of the belief that a manager should be tasked with finding players to fit their system.
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We don't have Leicesters magical DoF mate, we hired there head scout, Rudkin was and still is their DoF

Pep is so much his own man, that City went out and targeted specifically his old Barca team - including his old DoF as a way to ensure they finally got there man, they put the entire back-room team in place several years before Guardiola arrived mate, Cities success is entirely down to making sure Guardiola had a DoF in place he can and has worked with very well in the past, and one who understands the players Guardiolas system needs.

Conte - league winning manager, much like a fair few other Chelsea managers have won the league or CL, the one constant through those years was Chelsea having a stable DoF, btw they are falling apart a bit this year, and low and behold it started happening when the friction between Conte and there DoF led to him walking out on the job. Without him in place they where getting linked to Crouch and ended up buying Barkley

You mentioned i think Spurs before, Spurs btw built this team when they had Paul Mitchell as their head of recruitment (they hired him from Saints when Pocch came in and after the mess they made with the post Bale recruitment), one whose now been hired by RB Leipzig, when he left the job, after he left spurs, the following transfer window was a utter mess with them spending loads on Sissoko and Hanssen who have both been utter failures.

Arsenals transfer policy has been slagged for years and they as a club have badly stagnated, this January was the first window since they recruited a experienced DoF, and you could notice an immediate difference in them getting deals done they needed too

But besides the last 5 seasons being won by a club with an established DoF mate, yes the role of DoF has had very little success in England.

BTW, United have not got a Director of Football, as soon as Ferguson left - possibly the greatest ever manager at doing everything, they fell apart in spectacular fashion and have thrown about 800m quid to be in a battle for a CL spot, purely because they had no continuity or a person to oversea the transition post Ferguson - they just had a vacuum.
 

bluestevon said:
We don't have Leicesters magical DoF mate, we hired there head scout, Rudkin was and still is their DoF

Pep is so much his own man, that City went out and targeted specifically his old Barca team - including his old DoF as a way to ensure they finally got there man, they put the entire back-room team in place several years before Guardiola arrived mate, Cities success is entirely down to making sure Guardiola had a DoF in place he can and has worked with very well in the past, and one who understands the players Guardiolas system needs.

Conte - league winning manager, much like a fair few other Chelsea managers have won the league or CL, the one constant through those years was Chelsea having a stable DoF, btw they are falling apart a bit this year, and low and behold it started happening when the friction between Conte and there DoF led to him walking out on the job. Without him in place they where getting linked to Crouch and ended up buying Barkley

You mentioned i think Spurs before, Spurs btw built this team when they had Paul Mitchell as their head of recruitment (they hired him from Saints when Pocch came in and after the mess they made with the post Bale recruitment), one whose now been hired by RB Leipzig, when he left the job, after he left spurs, the following transfer window was a utter mess with them spending loads on Sissoko and Hanssen who have both been utter failures.

Arsenals transfer policy has been slagged for years and they as a club have badly stagnated, this January was the first window since they recruited a experienced DoF, and you could notice an immediate difference in them getting deals done they needed too

But besides the last 5 seasons being won by a club with an established DoF mate, yes the role of DoF has had very little success in England.

BTW, United have not got a Director of Football, as soon as Ferguson left - possibly the greatest ever manager at doing everything, they fell apart in spectacular fashion and have thrown about 800m quid to be in a battle for a CL spot, purely because they had no continuity or a person to oversea the transition post Ferguson - they just had a vacuum.
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Leicester got lucky that season. Stars aligned. Mahrez and Vardy aside none of that side would command a place in our side( in my opinion). We based our appointment on the assumption that Walsh was solely responsible for that league win. Ranieri must take a lot of credit, lots of luck and the rest of the so called Big 6 being poor beyond belief.
 
bullybeef said:
That’ll do for me pal. Sounds promising.

The players that moved on for big money, were they a success?

I also hope that he isn’t wanted for a buy to sell for profit policy. I want league titles, fa cups and champions league.
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Bought and sold Mertens, Strootman, Wijnaldum, got a mega fee for Depay (academy lad)

Bought that Herving Lozano last year for about 7m who was getting linked with us and others for about 30-40m this January as well, supposedly got a lot of good contacts in the South American market - looking at PSV recruitment - yeah seems likely he has as they have been blasting that central/south American players market lately

The latter point for me anyway would point to maybe a Silva/Fonseca type manager choice as both of those have a track record with working with Brazilian imports and the like.
 
GwladysBlue said:
It can - on the whole.

Everton, Tottenham and Liverpool have all failed with one.

Leicester’s buys, which Steve Walsh sanctioned, after their title win have all left the club. I wouldn’t put that fluke as a success for the DoF camp.

Man City and Chelsea can buy whoever Real Madrid and Barcelona don’t want, such is their spending power and presence in the CL.

We need a committed manager who has a system he wants to play and gets the players he wants to suit that system.
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Errrm didn't Liverpool only appoint a Sporting Director this summer mate? first signing he made was Salah lol, bad failiure that like

Spurs had Mitchell who succeeded, who it is now though not sure if they hired a replacement or not.

No mate, Walsh recommend players to be signed, as head scout that was his job, IF they where or where not signed was zero to do with him after that point though

But yeah would absolutely hate to fluke a league title win mate, Leicester must be gutted they did that ^^ simple Fact is though no team without one has managed to fluke it have they?

Arsenal and United have equal spending power these days to Chelsea mate, in United case massively more, the rs arguably can match Chelseas spending now as well as Abromavic has pulled the endless funding and wants them to be self sufficient through player trading, yet neither are winning titles without the dof and both have recruitment policies that look massively flawed.

Anyway, DoF is a very very good thing to have as long as with everything else it is the right man in the role, wrong man - just like with a wrong manager deciding transfers and it will be a mess.
 

GwladysBlue said:
All were much, much better teams. I think that’s hard to argue against.
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Spurs at the point they hired Mitchell as head of recruitment where pretty much dead level with Everton mate, him - his recruitment for and suited to Pocchetinos system is what made up a massive gulf between the two sides, combined with us doing the opposite and messing it all up just as they got it right.
 
Jayhow15 said:
Leicester got lucky that season. Stars aligned. Mahrez and Vardy aside none of that side would command a place in our side( in my opinion). We based our appointment on the assumption that Walsh was solely responsible for that league win. Ranieri must take a lot of credit, lots of luck and the rest of the so called Big 6 being poor beyond belief.
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errrm Kanty mate?

We based out opinion on the media narrative which came from a Ferguson praise of Walsh and citing his importance and role in the win, then again Ferguson chose moyes as his able successor...
 
bluestevon said:
We don't have Leicesters magical DoF mate, we hired there head scout, Rudkin was and still is their DoF

Pep is so much his own man, that City went out and targeted specifically his old Barca team - including his old DoF as a way to ensure they finally got there man, they put the entire back-room team in place several years before Guardiola arrived mate, Cities success is entirely down to making sure Guardiola had a DoF in place he can and has worked with very well in the past, and one who understands the players Guardiolas system needs.

Conte - league winning manager, much like a fair few other Chelsea managers have won the league or CL, the one constant through those years was Chelsea having a stable DoF, btw they are falling apart a bit this year, and low and behold it started happening when the friction between Conte and there DoF led to him walking out on the job. Without him in place they where getting linked to Crouch and ended up buying Barkley

You mentioned i think Spurs before, Spurs btw built this team when they had Paul Mitchell as their head of recruitment (they hired him from Saints when Pocch came in and after the mess they made with the post Bale recruitment), one whose now been hired by RB Leipzig, when he left the job, after he left spurs, the following transfer window was a utter mess with them spending loads on Sissoko and Hanssen who have both been utter failures.

Arsenals transfer policy has been slagged for years and they as a club have badly stagnated, this January was the first window since they recruited a experienced DoF, and you could notice an immediate difference in them getting deals done they needed too

But besides the last 5 seasons being won by a club with an established DoF mate, yes the role of DoF has had very little success in England.

BTW, United have not got a Director of Football, as soon as Ferguson left - possibly the greatest ever manager at doing everything, they fell apart in spectacular fashion and have thrown about 800m quid to be in a battle for a CL spot, purely because they had no continuity or a person to oversea the transition post Ferguson - they just had a vacuum.
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True all that but what it also shows is a bad DOF can be worse than having none at all because at least bad managers can be removed more regularly.

Why Walsh is still here I will never know.
 
bluestevon said:
errrm Kanty mate?

We based out opinion on the media narrative which came from a Ferguson praise of Walsh and citing his importance and role in the win, then again Ferguson chose moyes as his able successor...
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Moyes would have been good at Utd. He only signed Fellaini and Mata, two of their better signings and took over an awful Utd team that without Fergie had lost the aura.
 

bluestevon said:
Bought and sold Mertens, Strootman, Wijnaldum, got a mega fee for Depay (academy lad)

Bought that Herving Lozano last year for about 7m who was getting linked with us and others for about 30-40m this January as well, supposedly got a lot of good contacts in the South American market - looking at PSV recruitment - yeah seems likely he has as they have been blasting that central/south American players market lately

The latter point for me anyway would point to maybe a Silva/Fonseca type manager choice as both of those have a track record with working with Brazilian imports and the like.
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Don't know much about Fonseca but he seems better than out last two managers. Still would have Silva but that's mainly just because I know more about him.
 

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