Stadium Thread - ALL Kirkby/Stadium Discussion Here

Goat · January 22, 2009

BURN THE WITCH

Animal Farm · January 22, 2009

Blue Lou said:
This is an extract from a recently released document from Tesco/Everton:

Valley Road (Westvale) Bus Park Queuing Reservoir

The bus park concourse area is approximately 2,150m[sup]2[/sup]. At a Fruin level of ElF this equates to 0.28m2 per person, similar to that experienced at Aintree railway station.

This area will hold approximately 7,700 people.

The bus park concourse is supplemented by another queuing area, a 10m footway along the northern side of Valley Road between Bewley Drive and Whitefield Drive. This area is approximately 1 ,220m[sup]2[/sup] and can hold approximately 4,300 people.

It is expected that the bus park will need to accommodate in the first hour after the final whistle approximately 11,680 people.

These people will arrive at a reasonable constant flow with 1,800 people boarding the buses immediately they arrive. The remaining 9,880 people being held in the bus park concourse and Valley Road footway at a density of 0.34m[sup]2[/sup] per person.

This is a picture used by Joe Ellis to display how queuing could be handled:

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6300/aintreewv1.jpg

For christs sake everybody, open your eyes and look at what they are planning.

Que's of 11,680 people, 45 minute walks to your car, crush loading trains, 200 buses supposedly departing every 15 seconds.

How on EARTH? can people still support this RIDICULOUS project?

GrandOldTeam · January 22, 2009

Animal Farm said:
For christs sake everybody, open your eyes and look at what they are planning.

Que's of 11,680 people, 45 minute walks to your car, crush loading trains, 200 buses supposedly departing every 15 seconds.

How on EARTH? can people still support this RIDICULOUS project?

Where are these car parks? Aintree?

Goat · January 22, 2009

After i park my car i have to walk 25minutes to get to GP. If anybody believes that there wont be anywhere to park within 25minutes of the new ground, they need help.

GrandOldTeam · January 22, 2009

MikelsGoat said:
After i park my car i have to walk 25minutes to get to GP. If anybody believes that there wont be anywhere to park within 25minutes of the new ground, they need help.

45 minutes... one end of Kirkby to the other isn't 45 minutes.

Access wise, you really can not fault the site.

A hotel in Kirkby;

Suites Hotel Reviews | Hotel reviews at LateRooms.com.

Read the reviews, the majority highlight the location being excellent.

Goat · January 22, 2009

:huh:I aint staying in no bloody hotel in Kirkby, are you mad? I want to get in and out of that town as quickly as possible, i heard that everybody who lives there is a little bit, well you know......................... :mellow:

GrandOldTeam · January 22, 2009

MikelsGoat said:
:huh:I aint staying in no bloody hotel in Kirkby, are you mad? I want to get in and out of that town as quickly as possible, i heard that everybody who lives there is a little bit, well you know.........................

That hotel is actually very, very good. But thats not the point, it highlights accessibility;

Very impressed. Nice and clean. Also very easy to find.

Good location for travelling to Liverpool. Easy access to Manchester. Good facilities. Spacious Rooms, ideal for families.

excellent all around. great location for motorways

pleasant stay, convenient for central Liverpool, clean hotel but would not class it as a 4 star, would rate it as 3 star personally.

etc

Goat · January 22, 2009

Why would you need to use a hotel in the town in which you live? Is your girlfriend aware of this?

GrandOldTeam · January 22, 2009

MikelsGoat said:
Why would you need to use a hotel in the town in which you live? Is your girlfriend aware of this?

A friends wedding was held there.

Goat · January 22, 2009

GrandOldTeam said:
A friends wedding was held there.

Sure, i believe you, but i doubt your chick will. You need to come up with something better than that.

And yes, the Hotel would have their own seperate carpark and are not catering for 50,000 people, but i see your point, the town is accesible.

davek · January 22, 2009

HalewoodBlue_ver.2.0 said:
So no confession of the truth? You still sticking to that lame housing policy as the reason?

The burden of proof lies with the accusers. As I say, it'll be interesting to see what the lads from this forum protesting against the decision put together in their petition.

Goat · January 22, 2009

Ive lost my number2, he got scared when i posted the first draft and after reading more into it, it was the goverment who said no. So i doubt they will even care what we have to say. But im still up for a battle.

Animal Farm · January 22, 2009

GrandOldTeam said:
That hotel is actually very, very good. But thats not the point, it highlights accessibility;

etc

Mate, kirkby is very accessible via car when it dosnt have 50,000 people trying to leave at the very same time.

I am sure that Bolton and Arsenal are easy to get to during non match days, you really must see how these hotel reviews have no bearing on the accessibility of Kirkby on a match day.

The 45 minute figure comes from the tesco/savills planning application and has been confirmed at the inquiry, why would the applicants lie about this in the application and the inquiry if it wasnt true?

You think that you can walk from one side of Kirkby to the other in less than 45 minutes? Well Kirkby must be even smaller than Arrowe park then, because it takes about 45minutes to walk from Thingwall to Greasby via Arrowe park.

HalewoodBlue_ver.2.0 · January 22, 2009

Animal Farm said:
Mate, kirkby is very accessible via car when it dosnt have 50,000 people trying to leave at the very same time.

I am sure that Bolton and Arsenal are easy to get to during non match days, you really must see how these hotel reviews have no bearing on the accessibility of Kirkby on a match day.

The 45 minute figure comes from the tesco/savills planning application and has been confirmed at the inquiry, why would the applicants lie about this in the application and the inquiry if it wasnt true?

You think that you can walk from one side of Kirkby to the other in less than 45 minutes? Well Kirkby must be even smaller than Arrowe park then, because it takes about 45minutes to walk from Thingwall to Greasby via Arrowe park.

Do you have a wooden leg or something? Its only 3 miles or so from thingwall to greasby. You must walk very slow

Animal Farm · January 22, 2009

HalewoodBlue_ver.2.0 said:
Do you have a wooden leg or something? Its only 3 miles or so from thingwall to greasby. You must walk very slow

Are you addicted to amphetamines?

The average walking speed is approx 2 to 3 miles per hour, meaning walking 3 miles would take you an hour. As I said, it takes about 45 minutes to get from Thingwall to Greasby via Arrowe Park.

A choice of sources:

"For humans, walking is the main form of transportation without a vehicle or riding animal. An average walking speed is about 4 to 5 km/h (2 to 3 mph), although this depends heavily on factors such as height, weight, age, terrain, surface, load, culture, and fitness.[4][5]"

Walking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and

"On average, women walk at 3 miles per hour. That is 20 minutes per mile"

Average Walking Pace or Speed - Walking

You think that it is acceptable to walk 3 miles (45 minutes) to and from your car?