Stadium Thread - ALL Kirkby/Stadium Discussion Here
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And in this case, it is them that hold all the cards
When you want something from your local council, you play their games, you jump through their hoops, and you pay lip service all you can.
You don't refuse to meet them and call them names on your official website.
The decision is ENTIRELY a result of Everton's behaviour towards the council, which is petty as [Poor language removed], but that's how councils work. For a business that is 131 years old, you would expect Everton officials to know how to play this game.
It's not the right way to do business in an ideal world, but in this world, it's how council business is done.
So hang on...
What are you saying the club do?
Your so quick to criticise the club. What should the club do then? - bearing in mind Warren Bradley & LCC continuously state that they see a shared stadium as the solution.
You can only bend over for so long before your legs get tired.
At the end of the day, LCC have overruled their own experts, their own team to deny the club £10m in an effort to keep the club in Liverpool. Theres absolutely no way you can blame the club, or even Kenwright this time. No way.
What are you saying the club do?
Your so quick to criticise the club. What should the club do then? - bearing in mind Warren Bradley & LCC continuously state that they see a shared stadium as the solution.
You can only bend over for so long before your legs get tired.
At the end of the day, LCC have overruled their own experts, their own team to deny the club £10m in an effort to keep the club in Liverpool. Theres absolutely no way you can blame the club, or even Kenwright this time. No way.
for a start, the club should stop putting out statements that call LCC and Bradley liars
then, they should agree to meet with the council, keep them sweet, you know, not give them any excuse to pull stunts like this
instead, Wyness and now Elstone have tried to go about this the Tesco way, they've tried to be aloof, tried to bully, and they have failed.
Bradley has said the perfect solution for the council is a shared stadium, but he has also said he will work with Everton to build their own stadium inside the city - Everton just won't meet with him, and then say they've tried
this isn't how you get your way with councils.
Everton have played it wrong, and they have lost.
They've done the off the pitch version of playing Tim Howard and Carlo Nash upfront with me in goal against Man Utd.
Like I said, it shouldn't be like this when working with councils, but it is. Everton should have played the game instead of thinking they'll win regardless of who they upset.
HalewoodBlue_ver.2.0
Player Valuation: £10m
So you want Everton to kiss the arse of a council who has time and again done nothing for Everton and are f*cking corrupt. You have sunk to new lows
Yeah, the King's Dock was snatched from us by a corrupt council who also stole the money that was ring-fenced for it
Like I've said, twice now, that's just how you work with councils. If you don't play their game their way, then you lose.
That's just a fact of life.
It's shitty, and it's petty, but that's how councils work. I'm not sure why you're actually that surprised, surely you've been expecting this all along Mr Currie.
Sorry Si, I find this opinion baffling mate. I really do.
Sometimes you cant blame the club.
Lets not forget, Elstone suggested the decision was politically motivated AFTER they rejected the appeal.
And that is not to say I dont understand were you are coming from.
I just find it baffling.
I would love the fans to get behind the club and focus attentions on LCC. That would definitely be more beneficial
I just find it baffling.
I would love the fans to get behind the club and focus attentions on LCC. That would definitely be more beneficial
kenada_blue
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I understand that....but the thing is - thats in the past and mistakes were made. Blame everyone and anyone but the fact remains that we're in a position NOW and how do we get out of it? How do we move on from here as we are NOW?
The suggestions are limited.
The alternatives are said to be minimal and not viable
Budget is limited
People have drew their lines, made their stance, and no-one is helping each other find solutions to problems apart from create problems, collate pursuation for and against that go around and around till it'll raises or collapses, till one side wins (what the anti-DK win no-one knows) and no-one will be pursuaded either way.
We might as well just do a coin toss and see who calls it IMO. Then do best out of 3.
I just like to know, if the decision falls through what LCC and EFC are going to do because both of them havent a clue and non of this is going to make relations between EFC and LCC any better.
Yes, and I'm not denying it was politically motivated, and I doubt Bradley would privately.
Liverpool City Council have proven far too many times with far too many cases that the way to get what you want is to pay lip service to them and keep them onside.
If you don't do that then you can't expect anything other than defeat.
I'm not blaming anyone, because I don't really care what happens to Bellefield. I'm just pointing out that of course the decision was political, and the reason WHY it was made.
Both parties are to blame in part though. The council mainly though for being so petty, and the club for not realising this would happen unless they changed their tactics.
Makis
Player Valuation: £8m
Since you obviously forgot the France thread, do tell us how much money Dr France got from the club for the collection?
And only idiots think it's a better idea to fight politicians on principle. More often than not you end up loosing.
HalewoodBlue_ver.2.0
Player Valuation: £10m
And you lot want us to get into bed with this corrupt council? It will just drive the clubs determination to succeed in the kirkby project.
Well, if we wanted planning permission it might have been an idea to keep them onside, as this has proven
HalewoodBlue_ver.2.0
Player Valuation: £10m
That doesnt answer the point. If as you wish the project in kirkby doesnt succeed, how do you expect the club to work with a council who is corrupt and will stoop to these measures. Doesnt bode well for a healthy relationship
What tactics? Lets remember again that the council rejected the plan prior Everton reacting towards such pettiness?
Surprising again that you dont care about potentially £8m-£10m being deprived of the club. Make no mistake, if it was Everton, or indeed Bil Kenwright who cost the club that amount of money, no doubt you would care then?
You didnt need to bother. Its as clear as anything. Elstone "just pointed out that of course the decision was political".
Keep them onside? How?
We can not remain in Liverpool with a council who can not help provide commercial partners, nor one which focuses its main solution on a completely unfeasible idea. (Shared stadium)
Moving to Kirkby meant that it was impossible to "keep them onside", no matter how nice you are, as Bradley said he doesnt want a commercial business the size of Everton to move and he will do everything he can to make sure that doesn't happen, which of course, he is doing so by rejecting Bellefield.
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