Sir Landon Of Donovan

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

Are you saying you don't follow La Liga or the Budndesliga?

I am saying exactly that.

I follow Everton.
When I had skysports (quite a while ago now) I used to watch Messi, now I might watch the odd El Classico if i can be arsed, but no I don't watch the other leagues except maybe the if theres some big arse game taking place, generally more for if there's a chance of it goin off tbh. I don't even watch other prem games either unless r/s are in for a tonkin'.

 

[carolinablue232]

I am saying exactly that.

I follow Everton.
When I had skysports (quite a while ago now) I used to watch Messi, now I might watch the odd El Classico if i can be arsed, but no I don't watch the other leagues except maybe the if theres some big arse game taking place, generally more for if there's a chance of it goin off tbh. I don't even watch other prem games either unless r/s are in for a tonkin'.

Still haven't answered my original question. I find that interesting though. I'm a fan of Everton, but I'm also a fan of the game. I'll watch as much footy as is on providing I have time for it. How can you go on rating leagues and players you've never seen and don't watch? Seems like you're just talking with nothing to back up your claims then.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

Still haven't answered my original question. I find that interesting though. I'm a fan of Everton, but I'm also a fan of the game. I'll watch as much footy as is on providing I have time for it. How can you go on rating leagues and players you've never seen and don't watch? Seems like you're just talking with nothing to back up your claims then.

did I rate leagues ? or say that MLS isn't as good a league as prem ?

 

[carolinablue232]

did I rate leagues ? or say that MLS isn't as good a league as prem ?

No one was arguing that it was even close to that good. You said something along the lines of if it was any good, Yanks wouldn't be interested in the prem.

 

[chriswho]

My main point is he has never proven himself on the main stage club wise never battled against the best consistently and day after day and that's a real shame.

Is it a "real shame" that Baines is not switching to Man U right now?

 

[Kurt.]

you really think no one else rates Donovan !?!

So who else rates him ??? seriously I have no idea..possibly ignorant of me.... certainly the Bundesliga don't rate him.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

Is it a "real shame" that Baines is not switching to Man U right now?

it is for Man Utd thats for sure.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Certainly LD doesn't rate the Bundesliga...

 

[Christiffa25]

He should've done but didn't. He made a difference to us both times.

I liked him but we really must look forward and move on.

Not meaning to single u out mate, but I really don't understand this thinking. Many seem to suggest that because he never forced a move (which who says we could afforded) after his 2 loan spells, the ship has sailed and he shouldn't be an option now, time to move on??...

He's about to become free ffs and should be judged upon how he's performing now, which from what I've seen is the same as ever, he hasn't declined that's for sure. Forgetting what has been and gone, he'd improve our team/squad, not to mention the commercial benefits of having USA's most renowned name....it really is a No brainer!

For the record, the other myth that he wasn't as good in his 2nd spell, IMO he dragged us up the table single handily. Coming into a team that had lost arteta and pienaar, he provided that creative spark and kick started our form and eventual climb up the table.

 

[Elong]

Not meaning to single u out mate, but I really don't understand this thinking. Many seem to suggest that because he never forced a move (which who says we could afforded) after his 2 loan spells, the ship has sailed and he shouldn't be an option now, time to move on??...

He's about to become free ffs and should be judged upon how he's performing now, which from what I've seen is the same as ever, he hasn't declined that's for sure. Forgetting what has been and gone, he'd improve our team/squad, not to mention the commercial benefits of having USA's most renowned name....it really is a No brainer!

For the record, the other myth that he wasn't as good in his 2nd spell, IMO he dragged us up the table single handily. Coming into a team that had lost arteta and pienaar, he provided that creative spark and kick started our form and eventual climb up the table.

Maybe we still can't afford him now, even on a free. There's a possibility that we really don't have any more money to throw at anything, "free" players included.

I would like to see him back on a 2 year deal myself, but hey, I think the chance has gone.

 

[Moomin]

Will he be coming along to the games to support us on I wonder????

 

[SteveSC]

Is it a "real shame" that Baines is not switching to Man U right now?

How you can compare that to Donovan is astonishing. Baines has tasted European football albeit briefly also.

The premier league is up there as one of the best leagues in the world and Baines most certainly plays against some of the best being in the premiership. The MLS is nowhere close.

Sure wasn't my point that Donovan should have stayed in the premier league play on a bigger stage. Staying with Everton and playing other premiership teams would have shown everyone how good he is like he did for that brief spell.

How about you go back and read my entire point.

Damn you guys are so defensive when it comes to Donovan. Nobody is knocking him here, we are all saying how we would have liked to see more of him on a bigger stage.

Sure like i said i enjoy the MLS i go to watch quite a few Galaxy games a season now that i live in So Cal since my move from Europe.

 

[pfim]

Pretty sure the ship sailed once Moyes left. Though I think he'd fit in great with how Martinez wants to play.

 

[chriswho]

How you can compare that to Donovan is astonishing. Baines has tasted European football albeit briefly also.

The premier league is up there as one of the best leagues in the world and Baines most certainly plays against some of the best being in the premiership. The MLS is nowhere close.

Sure wasn't my point that Donovan should have stayed in the premier league play on a bigger stage. Staying with Everton and playing other premiership teams would have shown everyone how good he is like he did for that brief spell.
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Damn you guys are so defensive when it comes to Donovan. Nobody is knocking him here, we are all saying how we would have liked to see more of him on a bigger stage...

I was using a question to illustrate how this notion of 'ambition' in this case seems to have more to do with our own perspective and not the player at all. Reidy seems to have picked that up immediately, my apologies if that showed to others as blindly defending Landon.

I've been dealing in reality (Donovan under a long contract and Everton not willing/able to free him from it). I'm frustrated with people equating that reality with Donovan lacking ambition though. I (like most here, and it sounds like you are in this camp) would have loved to see LD stay with Everton and play on a bigger stage. That option was just never available (with Everton, though it was rumored with ManCity).

Regarding Baines:
Personally, I don't think Baines is lacking ambition either, but using your logic, he is. My question was inferring it, and Reidy explicitly called it out - man u fans probably all think that right now, and that is why I posed the question. It has to do with your frame of reference.

You are right.
Baines has tasted European football, UEFA/Europa. So has Donovan.

Donovan has STARTED in both Champion's League and World Cup football. Baines hasn't played in either.
Does that make Donovan better? NO. But Saying Baines has tasted Europa is less valid than I think you assumed.

 

[toffeejack]

It's quite likely that Everton will play the Galaxy in the upcoming preseason tourney. We'll see how much of a quality gap there is then. Sure it's preseason, but some here talk like MLS is far below the Finnish Veikkausliiga. Take this for example. At the last World Cup when the US played England, the US fielded 9 players either in MLS or with MLS roots. 4 were still in MLS with Holden just having moved to Bolton and the rest had started their careers there. England played with strictly premier league players. The final score was 1-1. Why did England not dismantle the US who were fielding players many of you claim play in an amateur league?

MLS is far behind the likes of Premier League, La Liga, Serie A, and the Bundesliga. It's not even close. However, the league isn't as bad as many of you say, and it produces some real quality from time to time.

england drew 0-0 with algeria mate. i don't think it's a great thing to go by. nearly all the top players in the prem aren't english