PaddyG
Player Valuation: £8m
Man City, to make the Manchester derby more interesting. But yeah i'll be supporting Man Utd in that game.
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Man City, to make the Manchester derby more interesting. But yeah i'll be supporting Man Utd in that game.
Cena
Player Valuation: £70m
CITY FAN, FUMING FFS
Your post is admirable and basically correct but you do drop a bollock and that explains the confusion between our thoughts and yours
You state "And the other predictable reaction is from the supporters. After the loss against Liverpool, the side was apparently not good enough, David Moyes was hamstrung etc. etc. Yet after today, we apparently have fantastic players chock full of potential, with Moyes using them effectively.
Both statements can't be true. The truth of the matter is somewhere in between."
Firstly they can both be true because from our side you are misinterpreting the comments. I think most of the comments about the loss to the RS were of the negative play and the players bottling it - not so much that they were ****e - BUT they did play like a bunch of duffers didnt they ?.
Today we had roughly the same players and they played a different game. They have nothing to lose, we are not being relagated, so ****ing go on lads - have a go - that was the mentality today. Why did they do that, because DM stated they could do that and not insist of his negative defensive **** tactics as he so often does.
I love the man, but he well and truly ****ed last week and many other games up for us
One other thing - why do we have such a bad 1/2 half of the season - if we can adress this - the sky is the limit and Europe every year.
Ah well, until the next season. let's go get some more beers
You state "And the other predictable reaction is from the supporters. After the loss against Liverpool, the side was apparently not good enough, David Moyes was hamstrung etc. etc. Yet after today, we apparently have fantastic players chock full of potential, with Moyes using them effectively.
Both statements can't be true. The truth of the matter is somewhere in between."
Firstly they can both be true because from our side you are misinterpreting the comments. I think most of the comments about the loss to the RS were of the negative play and the players bottling it - not so much that they were ****e - BUT they did play like a bunch of duffers didnt they ?.
Today we had roughly the same players and they played a different game. They have nothing to lose, we are not being relagated, so ****ing go on lads - have a go - that was the mentality today. Why did they do that, because DM stated they could do that and not insist of his negative defensive **** tactics as he so often does.
I love the man, but he well and truly ****ed last week and many other games up for us
One other thing - why do we have such a bad 1/2 half of the season - if we can adress this - the sky is the limit and Europe every year.
Ah well, until the next season. let's go get some more beers
billytoffee
Player Valuation: £20m
Back on topic, I think Dempsey would be an inspired signing the more I think of it, as he would enable football to be players to feet further up the pitch instead of the lump it and hope we have with Fellaini or Cahill in the AMC role at the moment.
Heitinga, Fellaini, Pienaar, Jelavic and Baines are genuinely top drawer, and with two or three complimenting them along with emerging youngsters like Barkley we could have a dazzling season ahead of us.
The deadwood like Neville and (forgive me) Hibbert need removing ASAP, and the likes of Gibson and Coleman need to be squad players.
So I'd say the priority is attacking mid, right wing and right back.
Heitinga, Fellaini, Pienaar, Jelavic and Baines are genuinely top drawer, and with two or three complimenting them along with emerging youngsters like Barkley we could have a dazzling season ahead of us.
The deadwood like Neville and (forgive me) Hibbert need removing ASAP, and the likes of Gibson and Coleman need to be squad players.
So I'd say the priority is attacking mid, right wing and right back.
I mean the pressure to do well, as in push up the league table. When our backs are against the wall, Moyes does very, very well, as he's a motivator rather than a tactician.
So if we were ever in serious relegation trouble, my money would be on Moyes to keep us up.
Hope that clarifies it.
Cheers for the response mate. I'm not sure I get what you mean though. I'm basically saying what you are - the players and manager bottled it against Liverpool when we were arguably favourites on paper, yet have done magnificently against United when we were written off. Same players, different mentalities, which is what I mean when I say we're mentally too weak to push on and reach the potential that the talent of the actual players merit.
I actually agree completely with the bolded bit as far as I can tell, there's no difference in my opinion there.
Can someone put the original post in a nutshell please?
"Everton are sometimes cheese, sometimes toast, but very rarely cheese on toast. Hopefully, next season we will be cheese on toast."
billytoffee
Player Valuation: £20m
OK see what you mean - and I think I sort of go with you on that. But how do we address that imbalance in our current financial state? Is there really any viable alternative out there.
Do the Moyes out brigade run the risk of us ending up with someone that does not offer us that safety net of bailing us out of the crap and keeping us up year on year.
Do we need a different right hand man to sit alongside him, possibly being a little more robust in pointing out the tactical errors??? Is Round the issue??
Rook
Player Valuation: £80m
This year we had an excuse, Cahill and Saha couldn't hit the side door of a barn, plus there was transfer talk. If we survive the transfer window in the summer we'll have no excuses in August.
I actually think it's a combination of manager, coaching and the actual side, and the consistent problem is one of mentality. At the moment, if we're expected to go out and do well, we freeze. Or, if we have a commanding position, we freeze mid-game and throw it away if there's a fair amount depending on the result.
We don't have a winners mentality throughout the squad. A few players do - Heitinga, Pienaar, Jelavic and Fellaini are used to winning; they'll time waste, moan at a referee, take a clever foul, gain every professional advantage. But then we have others like Hibbert who are happy with mediocrity and don't enjoy pressure on their shoulders.
Which, basically, is why Moyes says a top ten finish is great for us, as if he applied greater pressure to succeed on his players most of them would fold like a poorly built house of cards.
Money to replace these weak players would help. It's why Moyes has gone for players used to the winning tradition like Gibson in his recent dealings, even opting repeatedly for short term solutions like Donovan who is also a winner.
But the problem is he has too little belief in the side as a whole, so what happens is that no matter the opposition he's afraid to actually tell them as it is - put them on the back foot, dominate the game. As it is, all too often it's like they're told "do the best you can, it's a difficult division and I'll be happy if you just do your best", which makes too many players complacent and not under pressure to actually succeed in a blue shirt.
So, for me, a few things need to happen. We need to actually have a summer where we buy players, for a start. And early on too, not deadline day. The second thing that needs to happen is that Moyes needs to a grow a pair, tell his players exactly what is expected and utterly bollock them when they don't perform. Because that's the only way under the current structure we will know whether we have a proper team here or we have a bunch of pretenders.
For one season, everyone from the boardroom downward need to give a full league campaign the fair crack of the whip.
billytoffee
Player Valuation: £20m
Agree with that mate ! The eternal optimist in me is sitting here hoping for your Cheese on Toast - maybe even with a sprinkle of that Worcestishire Sauce on!!
I'm not convinced however that Bill is going to handover the full £50 quid that he has picked up for the recent Corrie return - so we will have to wait and see. I fear it may be a long summer once again.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
If we'd have needed somethig from that match today we'd have gotten fcuk all.
That is the unalloyed truth of the matter.
Anyone expecting that shower of surrender monkeys and their manager to put it in when it counts either hasn't been studying them too carefully or have rocks in their head.
That is the unalloyed truth of the matter.
Anyone expecting that shower of surrender monkeys and their manager to put it in when it counts either hasn't been studying them too carefully or have rocks in their head.
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