2023/24 Sean Dyche

[Charlie Sweet]

Besides the obviously bizarre Lennon shout that others have already shot down, we're 8pts above the relegation zone with one game left in November. Giving you the benefit of the doubt (despite your Lennon shout) there are 5 games in December. The bottom 3 have got 6,5, and 4 pts from 12 games. What makes you think they will be anywhere near us after the next 6 games?

Next December I said. That's the issue. Dyche means a perennial struggle along the bottom.

 

[Billy Dean]

Xavi was an absolute football God as a player.

 

[blulouie]

Stevens and Rats were world class players in a world class team. Anyone that seen them knows that. Different eras but 90s ACMilan strolled through life and carried many a player.




Another poster first mentioned Lennon. My original comment on him was ages ago but I absolutely stand by the comment he would be a better manager for us than Dyche.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Direct football can be extremely entertaining, and it’s the type of football I want to see an Everton team play. Front foot, aggressive and moving the ball quickly.

The last 2 games haven’t been like that for large spells, with us camped back and surrendering possession almost instantly or knocking it long to no runners.

But was I arsed at full time yesterday?
Not a chance.

You’d think we were the only team in the league who don’t play like Man City the way some people go on on here. Wasn’t long ago this forum was insisting we should have been copying Brentford and Thomas Frank is a good manager. He is a good manager, but he’s even more direct than Dyche is! Balls into channels, set pieces, long balls into to the box for two big strikers to challenge for. Do Brentford fans care? No, not whilst they continue improving, does anyone else care? No. Yet as soon as the manager is English and managed a championship team that played 442 once upon a time then all of a sudden direct football is terrible.

All I see in Dyche is a pragmatist. If he had better players he’d play better football. The football this season is better than what we were producing last season because the players are better, and the football he’s played at Everton has been better than a lot of what he produced at Burnley.

I’ve also seen Mourinho Benitez Klopp and Conte all win big trophies by literally hoofing a ball down a field and then chasing after it trying to force a turnover. Ancelotti has won CLs when his team haven’t had the most possession and had to play on the counter.

More than one way to skin a cat, thankfully Dyche is smart enough to know this which is why he’s still Everton manager and some of his predecessors aren’t.

 

[Missionman]

Dyche was made for Everton and Everton was made for dyche … I hope he stays for a long time

 

[Lob]

I don't like our very low possession rates, I don't like his very predictable and always very late substitutes, however i very much do like the fact that he has changed all of their attitudes, we have won 6 out of the last 9 in all competitions and are starting to pull well away from the relegation zone. We are actually only 3 points from 9th which is amazing really when you think about how bad we have been the last couple of seasons.

He has found a way to win games and so i cannot fault that no matter how unenjoyable it is to watch (for me). Winning and gaining points is all that matters presently.

 

[Egil Olsen]

You’d think we were the only team in the league who don’t play like Man City the way some people go on on here. Wasn’t long ago this forum was insisting we should have been copying Brentford and Thomas Frank is a good manager. He is a good manager, but he’s even more direct than Dyche is! Balls into channels, set pieces, long balls into to the box for two big strikers to challenge for. Do Brentford fans care? No, not whilst they continue improving, does anyone else care? No. Yet as soon as the manager is English and managed a championship team that played 442 once upon a time then all of a sudden direct football is terrible.

All I see in Dyche is a pragmatist. If he had better players he’d play better football. The football this season is better than what we were producing last season because the players are better, and the football he’s played at Everton has been better than a lot of what he produced at Burnley.

I’ve also seen Mourinho Benitez Klopp and Conte all win big trophies by literally hoofing a ball down a field and then chasing after it trying to force a turnover. Ancelotti has won CLs when his team haven’t had the most possession and had to play on the counter.

More than one way to skin a cat, thankfully Dyche is smart enough to know this which is why he’s still Everton manager and some of his predecessors aren’t.

 

[Drico]

You make it sound like he was some sort of sideways passing crab. He had absolutely fantastic vision and passing ability and ball manipulation and he generally passed progressively. He didn't have pace or strength so would never really run with the ball but he was joy to watch as was Busquets

No, not at all. I make it sound like I didn't particularly enjoy watching him. That's a personal preference. Others' opinions will differ.

Nobody is disputing his greatness as a player, his vision, or passing ability. Nobody controlled a game like he did. I simply found Iniesta more exciting.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

Next December I said. That's the issue. Dyche means a perennial struggle along the bottom.

Hiya mate...just to recap on a post from yesterday did you mean it when you suggested we should remove Dyche and replace him with Neil Lennon?

Only because I've not slept a wink all night thinking you might have actually been serious.

 

[jonesl2]

You’d think we were the only team in the league who don’t play like Man City the way some people go on on here. Wasn’t long ago this forum was insisting we should have been copying Brentford and Thomas Frank is a good manager. He is a good manager, but he’s even more direct than Dyche is! Balls into channels, set pieces, long balls into to the box for two big strikers to challenge for. Do Brentford fans care? No, not whilst they continue improving, does anyone else care? No. Yet as soon as the manager is English and managed a championship team that played 442 once upon a time then all of a sudden direct football is terrible.

All I see in Dyche is a pragmatist. If he had better players he’d play better football. The football this season is better than what we were producing last season because the players are better, and the football he’s played at Everton has been better than a lot of what he produced at Burnley.

I’ve also seen Mourinho Benitez Klopp and Conte all win big trophies by literally hoofing a ball down a field and then chasing after it trying to force a turnover. Ancelotti has won CLs when his team haven’t had the most possession and had to play on the counter.

More than one way to skin a cat, thankfully Dyche is smart enough to know this which is why he’s still Everton manager and some of his predecessors aren’t.

Been saying it on here since last season. Understand its not for everyone but personally I much prefer the solid setup with directness and creating chances oppose to the possession based football we were aiming for under Martinez, Silva etc by passing it for the sake of passing and creating little chances. Feels like we have are starting to have an identity again for the first time since Moyes. Don't get me wrong I would have Martinez's first season but that was 1 season in the last ten years that I actually enjoyed watching us play. People will say Ancelotti but after the first few months that were great, we were horrible to watch second part of the season.

Dyche is starting to build his team and deserves the time to do it.

 

[Saint Domingo]

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Never mind what one of the greatest managers of all time thinks; the GOT forum knows best and they say young ‘progressive’ manager preferably German or Portuguese, who plays attacking possession football (disclaimer, must also have excellent defensive and set piece record despite never openly admitting to doing any defensive or set piece work). They must have a predictable identifiable philosophy but not one that can be predicted or identified by opposition managers. They must also make subs at exactly the time the forum deems them to regardless of the state of the game or the quality of players on the bench. They must also dominate every single premier league team home and away through this footballing style for 98 mins of every game otherwise they are a useless fraud. They should do this with no money and the quality of the squad is utterly irrelevant to this. If they lose to Luton or Sheffield United at any point they should be fired regardless.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

No, not at all. I make it sound like I didn't particularly enjoy watching him. That's a personal preference. Others' opinions will differ.

Nobody is disputing his greatness as a player, his vision, or passing ability. Nobody controlled a game like he did. I simply found Iniesta more exciting.

As did I. Iniesta is one of my favourite ever players.

 

[John from Bootle]

Never mind what one of the greatest managers of all time thinks; the GOT forum knows best and they say young ‘progressive’ manager preferably German or Portuguese, who plays attacking possession football (disclaimer, must also have excellent defensive and set piece record despite never openly admitting to doing any defensive or set piece work). They must have a predictable identifiable philosophy but not one that can be predicted or identified by opposition managers. They must also make subs at exactly the time the forum deems them to regardless of the state of the game or the quality of players on the bench. They must also dominate every single premier league team home and away through this footballing style for 98 mins of every game otherwise they are a useless fraud. They should do this with no money and the quality of the squad is utterly irrelevant to this. If they lose to Luton or Sheffield United at any point they should be fired regardless.

lol This forum is absolutely mental during and after any defeat. I've never got it. There's many defeats I can just take on the chin. We know we're gonna lose games. It's when you see them start going on long runs without wins or poor runs that see the team imploding and/or looking they just don't care that much, that I start questioning the manager. If we're in any sort of half decent form, I can take most defeats on the chin without feeling the need to blame somebody.

Sure, it would be nice to go into a season like Man City and expect to lose maybe 2 or 3 league games, but we are were we are, and it's not really on this manager, is it?

We will lose at least another 10 games this season. It's just a fact. and if i can predict that with such relative certainty, then how come somebody is gonna have to be to blame for each and every one of them?

 

[CielosGrises]

I kind of understand the desire for a exciting new manager whose ceiling is a bit less predictable than Dyches - but I do think Dyche is a good fit for Everton right now.

I'm always impressed by managers that can turn around bad form and improve players - Dyche has done that and I'd back him to do it again - he adapts.

The reluctant subs and focus on defending a lead are a bit frustrating but it's the points that matter and its on his head.

 

[Saint Domingo]

lol This forum is absolutely mental during and after any defeat. I've never got it. There's many defeats I can just take on the chin. We know we're gonna lose games. It's when you see them start going on long runs without wins or poor runs that see the team imploding and/or looking they just don't care that much, that I start questioning the manager. If we're in any sort of half decent form, I can take most defeats on the chin without feeling the need to blame somebody.

Sure, it would be nice to go into a season like Man City and expect to lose maybe 2 or 3 league games, but we are were we are, and it's not really on this manager, is it?

We will lose at least another 10 games this season. It's just a fact. and if i can predict that with such relative certainty, then how come somebody is gonna have to be to blame for each and every one of them?

There’s an absolute world of difference in losing games we saw under Koeman, Silva, Benitez, Lampard when they were circling the drain against the games we lost this season (minus the Villa away game). Anyone who knows anything about football can see that surely.

Those games under previous managers saw teams with players walking around, lashing out due to bad discipline, shambolic defences with players waltzing through without tackles being made, Everton players shirking challenges, playing as individuals, fronting up to fans, ignoring managers, and basically completely giving up as soon as we conceded a goal.

Even in the games we’ve lost this season (Villa aside perhaps), we’ve still been scrapping for every ball. Of course not everything has gone our way and we’ve been outclassed at times (Arsenal) and had some poor finishing at times, but there’s been no shortage of work rate, the players are running for the manager, the fans have stayed behind the team, tackles are going in and we’ve stayed together as a club for the most part (apart from a minority splinter cell on here who will never have Dyche)

It’s night and day from previous death spirals under former managers and it’s now stating to show in results.