Seamus Coleman receives racist abuse on Twitter from Everton 'fans'

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Brennan91 said:
Nope.



Racism has no strict scholarly definition, however it is widely accepted within society that stating somebody is inferior because of their nationality, skin colour or ethnicity is racist.

The damage or offensiveness of these kind of acts depends totally upon what is accepted within society, and as a result it is we as people who shape what racism is, and not any binding definition.

Calling somebody stupid and implying it's because they're Irish is racism. Pure and simple.
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No it's not because the Irish aren't a race...

They are an ethnic group. I'd call it ethnically discrimination not racism.

The word racism is banged around far too much!
 
Cotto said:
No you are dancing around the word ethnicy to band nationality as a race. It's not a race not racist to refer to someone's nationality. Enough said.
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A shame to use Wiki, but whatever.

Racism and racial discrimination are often used to describe discrimination on an ethnic or cultural basis, independent of whether these differences are described as racial. According to the United Nations convention, there is no distinction between the terms racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination, and superiority based on racial differentiation is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and dangerous, and that there is no justification for racial discrimination, in theory or in practice, anywhere.
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Nowadays, most biologists, anthropologists, and sociologists reject a simple taxonomy of races in favor of more specific and/or empirically verifiable criteria, such as geography, ethnicity, or a history of endogamy.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
 
Cotto said:
No it's not because the Irish aren't a race...

They are an ethnic group. I'd call it ethnically discrimination not racism.

The word racism is banged around far too much!
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Precisely this.

'Irish...' Is no more racist than 'Scouse/Manc/Cockney...'

Gypo/Pikey etc. is a different kettle of fish.
 
How soft in the head do you have to be to be abusive towards the irish when you're supporting a team from a city where pretty much everyone is part irish?
Not that any abuse is acceptable like but still.
 

Artetas dog said:
So called Evertonians, absolute idiots, this is typical of todays society our club would be better off without supporters like these. I wonder what our Irish supporters think of these morons.
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Most Irish Evertonians know like you, me, and nearly everyone on here does, that these people are a bunch of cowardly dickheads hiding behind their keyboards while venting their vile racist abuse. Unfortunately though, fans of other clubs have seen it and as result our general fanbase gets associated with it by some people.

That's the real shame. Not just that people post that sh*t, but that the good name of our supporters gets tarnished in the eyes of some.
 
Cotto said:
Wiki is typed up by whoever mate. You should know that!

Being Irish is not a race. It's a nationality. So therefore calling someone Irish is NOT "racist"
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Yes it is.

I'm sure the United Nations is a reliable source then?

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/cerd.htm

Article 1

1. In this Convention, the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.
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Just to add, using the word "Irish" as a modifier is not racist. Such as "John is Irish".

But adding negative connotation is, because it's implying that the negative attributes are due to his/her nationality.
 

Cotto said:
Wiki is typed up by whoever mate. You should know that!

Being Irish is not a race. It's a nationality. So therefore calling someone Irish is NOT "racist"
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A 'race' can be defined by geographical place of birth just as much as the colour of your skin.

How is it any less racist to have a go at a black person than an Irish person ? The person is black because they were most likely born to African parents whose ancestors' skin turned black as a result of more exposure to the sun over thousands of years as a result of living in certain areas of the world. You're attacking somebody's geographical ancestry via the colour of their skin if you attack a black person for being black, same as you are if you accuse somebody of being stupid because they're Irish.

You're splitting hairs and you're not even right about it.
 
Cotto said:
Wiki is typed up by whoever mate. You should know that!

Being Irish is not a race. It's a nationality. So therefore calling someone Irish is NOT "racist"
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There's no such thhing as multiple human races, though. Race has a specific genetic meaning (different races of foxes for instance) and humans are all too similar for it to apply. There can be more genetic simularity between a japanese man and an ethiopian than between two irish men.

Race as a term applied to humans can only mean ethnicality.
 

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