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I know what you mean. At times it seems like Moyes will never change. But maybe we saw a glimpse of something changing last year after the loss at Wembley. The next game we go to Old Trafford and I couldn't believe we were the same club. It was an incredible performance (despite letting in 4 goals) and was a far cry from the previous year when we went to Old Trafford and parked the bus. Maybe all Moyes needs is better players and an occasional kick in the pants.

That was a one-off. Somehow we did produce two moments of great attacking football late on to snatch a draw. But we normally lose in such games under Moyes.

He has this reputation for saying 'I want to win the league' at the beginning of the season within the media, but it's clear from how we start the season, we are playing scared. He is not a positive manager, he just fools the media because he's clever with words.

Look how embarrassing we were away to Man City. It was pathetic, they were so scared and giving to the Man City Gods. He just wanted to avoid a thrashing that's all.

His quote of 'knife to a gunfight' must have been so inspiring for our players. We start the season scared because the players have been made scared of failure and the positivity sucked out of them. I could pull out dozens of quotes which show how he treats Everton's chances, or how he criticises his own players or puts them down in subtle ways. He's comfortable whether he finishes 15th or 8th. That rubs off on the players.

A more creative and ruthless manager would have had the balls to sell Saha for £8m to that Turkish team when the interest was there, and dare I say we could have probably got a similar fee for Tim Cahill a couple of years ago.

For me, what will always remind me of what Moyes is as a manager, is the fact he sold Wayne Rooney and replaced him with James Beattie. I am not saying this because Beattie was regarded as a failure, I am saying it because Wayne Rooney is Wayne Rooney and he signed a boring non-skilful player as a replacement. People I know are going to scold me for this but I think to myself, what if we'd tried to push a deal for someone like Aguero or similar at the time, for say £14m? We could have at least been mroe creative than James Beattie. Something exciting in the mini-mould of Rooney. It was pathetic.

Moyes is a stats man and usually plays it safe, too safe. I think tactically we actually have one of the worst managers (especially in ratio to his reputation) around. Nevermind 11th best paid in the world.

I really believe that. The big sides normally embarrass us on the whole since he started managing us. And people are right to now in bigger numbers be realising that in the big games, or against good footballing sides, we usually lose, the derbies, the semi-finals, the finals.

People are right now (and in more numbers) to point out his huge flaws.

This club should in no way now be in danger of relegation, with or without Moyes. He deserves credit, though he's had ten years to do it, of changing that squad into a much better one. And he's had hardly any money in the past few years.

I think if we repeat our usual start to the season by christmas there will actually be a stronger movement within crowd-goers against him.

However, there's nothing wrong with being positive about the good things Moyes has done. Or about how we start the season.

You can't really disagree with points the pro-moyes people make. They're not wrong.

But nothing will change within Moyes! That's why more and more people are just desiring a change subconsciously. It's gettting boring.
 

I think Moyes has done well on the whole for us, but he isnt as good as some of our fans and the media make out.

He is poor tactically and on the whole his football is more negative than positive.

I would like to see us with a new more adventurous manager one day who didnt bottle it in games, Moyes consistently reverts to a negative approach.
I would like to see us with a manager who was dynamic, took risks and was positive.
 
After reading through the Moyes to spurs and the board thread I can't believe how scared our fans our of change....


People don't want change at the top because......look at blackburn an Pompey.

People don't want Moyes to go because apparently well be playing Luton town in two years!!!

Whys everyone so scared of change an who says it will go tits up. For me in life change is a god thing, it opens new doors to new ways. Being comftable breads contempt. If it stays the same we will have the same season as the last 3-4 years....

Well I'm up for taking a chance..... Out with the old an in with the new..

When players go, people threat an cry an get all worked up.monly to find the news players are just as good or ever better?

Evolution, we need to get out of this rot an move on.

Can people not see this..

NILSATIS NISIOPTIMUM
how long have you been in your job have you divorced your wife have you changed the team you support out with the old inn with the new waits for the onslaught
 
After reading through the Moyes to spurs and the board thread I can't believe how scared our fans our of change....


People don't want change at the top because......look at blackburn an Pompey.

People don't want Moyes to go because apparently well be playing Luton town in two years!!!

Whys everyone so scared of change an who says it will go tits up. For me in life change is a god thing, it opens new doors to new ways. Being comftable breads contempt. If it stays the same we will have the same season as the last 3-4 years....

Well I'm up for taking a chance..... Out with the old an in with the new..

When players go, people threat an cry an get all worked up.monly to find the news players are just as good or ever better?

Evolution, we need to get out of this rot an move on.

Can people not see this..

NILSATIS NISIOPTIMUM

Because Moyes is one of the best managers in the country, and the club will be worse off without him, without a shadow of a doubt.

If it's so easy to replace Moyes with another manager, why don't Spurs or whoever go after this mythical 'other manager', and leave Moyes at Everton? Answer: Because most unbiased, non-Evertonians see David Moyes as one of the best managers in the country. What's the point of giving up something like that? What's the point of pretending it's a good thing? Yeah, change can be good. But that's not the point. Losing Moyes in this manner would be a clear neon sign that we will be worse of. How worse of would be determined by who his replacement is, but unquestionably we would be worse of. Winning stuff and being where we want to be is not being held back by Moyes, it's being held back by the owner and the board's lack of investment and plans for the future to make us better. Losing Moyes, one of the last remaining areas in which Everton can be rightly lauded in this country as having something really, really good that other clubs envy, would be a huge negative. Moyes is not bigger than Everton. Bill Kenwright is also not bigger than Everton; it's a wonder some of our fans haven't realised the latter either and pushed for change to advance the club, rather than the 'scared of change' stuff you speak about regarding Moyes. The difference between Moyes and Kenwright is that Moyes takes this club forward, whereas Kenwright holds it back. I think you make some good points - except about the wrong person. You should be talking about Kenwright, not Moyes.
 
After reading through the Moyes to spurs and the board thread I can't believe how scared our fans our of change....


People don't want change at the top because......look at blackburn an Pompey.




People don't want Moyes to go because apparently well be playing Luton town in two years!!!

Whys everyone so scared of change an who says it will go tits up. For me in life change is a god thing, it opens new doors to new ways. Being comftable breads contempt. If it stays the same we will have the same season as the last 3-4 years....



Well I'm up for taking a chance..... Out with the old an in with the new..

When players go, people threat an cry an get all worked up.monly to find the news players are just as good or ever better?

Evolution, we need to get out of this rot an move on.

Can people not see this..


NILSATIS NISIOPTIMUM[/QUOTE

I dont think you'll find many people who are not in agreement that the board need to go..

As for moyes... If it ain't broke dont fix it!!

Some people's heads are up in the clouds wanting to replace him IMO. He's done nothing but good for efc under very difficult conditions. I'll say this again.. without investment this is as good as it gets!! Whether it's moyes incharge wenger, fergie, mouriniho or scooby doo incharge!

On a flip side there's plenty of managers who could come in and take us down... That's reality!

Hey bring me the rich Arabs who are gonna come in an blitz us with money and bring guardiola with them and there is certainly life after moyes. Until then for the love of god be happy or at least satisfied with what we have got because all you moaners I'm sure would of snatched the hand off anyone offering us what we'v had in the moyes era back in the late 90's.

If I was a tweeter #getagrip
 

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