Sam Allardyce

[TraffordBlue]

Guardiola should have earned his corn at managing someone like Sabaddell as well, would have become a much better manager and earned the right for a big job etc. What where Barca thinking god knows really.

Same as Ajax hiring Cruyff soon as he retired from playing in the US, should have made him show he could manage first etc.

Three of the top 6 managers in this league - Pocch, Wenger and Guardiola - who all have worked with him as a player wanted him as soon as he retired from playing, the people who run the coaching courses and people on it have said he was the best theyve ever had come through that.

Sometimes talent beats experience

Madrid are manged by someone with no experience prior - he won the CL ofc with them straight away, Milan are similarly managed by a first timer in Gattuso and have seen there season turn around and he's showing he has the ability now.

Simeone for example had managed never in Europe when Athletico came calling, huge gamble as not having managing in Argentina prepares you any better for managing Athletico than say for example being an assistant manager as that team would do, etc etc etc

Appointing someone like Arteta would be a huge risk. I appreciate what you're saying in that some former players may just be ready for management earlier than others and need to be given a chance, but I wouldn't want us to take that risk at the moment.

The next manager is a crucial appointment for Moshiri. We can't get it wrong again and so I think whoever we appoint needs to be proven.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Here we are in a World Cup year

If only there was a manager who had been managing the same team for a long time who could conceivably leave said team after the tournament...

 

[Jonte]

Guardiola should have earned his corn at managing someone like Sabaddell as well, would have become a much better manager and earned the right for a big job etc. What where Barca thinking god knows really.

Same as Ajax hiring Cruyff soon as he retired from playing in the US, should have made him show he could manage first etc.

Three of the top 6 managers in this league - Pocch, Wenger and Guardiola - who all have worked with him as a player wanted him as soon as he retired from playing, the people who run the coaching courses and people on it have said he was the best theyve ever had come through that.

Sometimes talent beats experience

Won’t quibble with that, blue; it’s just that I don’t want him proving otherwise with us. We need to dig deep and get someone in who has shown they can cut the mustard.

 

[Jonte]

Here we are in a World Cup year

If only there was a manager who had been managing the same team for a long time who could conceivably leave said team after the tournament...

Hear, hear Mikey.

Will think twice before shaking his hand after that bottom scratching incident.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Hear, hear Mikey.

Will think twice before shaking his hand after that bottom scratching incident.

It'd be one heck of a statement from Moshiri if he could bring Loew in, especially if Germany do well again

You'd have to think he'd be able to find us some hidden gems in the German league?

 

[brieverton]

Loew would be an interesting choice. I wouldn't be against it.

I wonder what his intentions are though, particularly if Germany retain the WC.

Would he want to muck in here or take a cushy number in the Middle East for example or just spend his time sitting on FIFA technical committees and the like between media and public speaking work?

 

[Yarrgh]

Catering Manager I've heard. The club stinks of 'jobs for the boys', we're just one big gravy train.

I can just imagine Big Scam's original interview...

Bill: let's talk about what it'll take to get you in Samuel.
Big Scam: You had me at gravy train Bill!

On a more sombre note, has he gone yet?

 

[Pabbers]

Guardiola should have earned his corn at managing someone like Sabaddell as well, would have become a much better manager and earned the right for a big job etc. What where Barca thinking god knows really.

Same as Ajax hiring Cruyff soon as he retired from playing in the US, should have made him show he could manage first etc.

Three of the top 6 managers in this league - Pocch, Wenger and Guardiola - who all have worked with him as a player wanted him as soon as he retired from playing, the people who run the coaching courses and people on it have said he was the best theyve ever had come through that.

Sometimes talent beats experience

Madrid are manged by someone with no experience prior - he won the CL ofc with them straight away, Milan are similarly managed by a first timer in Gattuso and have seen there season turn around and he's showing he has the ability now.

Simeone for example had managed never in Europe when Athletico came calling, huge gamble as not having managing in Argentina prepares you any better for managing Athletico than say for example being an assistant manager as that team would do, etc etc etc

While i do agree with you, the big difference is that we are at a lower point than all those clubs....more to lose we have really.

 

[Big Fat Sam]

Here we are in a World Cup year

If only there was a manager who had been managing the same team for a long time who could conceivably leave said team after the tournament...

Mate, if you tell him he's off to the city of Liverpool to take over a manager's position he'll think he's displacing Klopp. Löw has never heard of Everton.

 

[Liam Conlon]

Big Fat Sam's Blue and White Army...

This man should never have been appointed we were never going to be relegated. To make it worse team across the way ate playing great stuff

 

[BernieWright13]

Hear, hear Mikey.

Will think twice before shaking his hand after that bottom scratching incident.

Should be safe enough with a pair of these

 

[bluestevon]

Appointing someone like Arteta would be a huge risk. I appreciate what you're saying in that some former players may just be ready for management earlier than others and need to be given a chance, but I wouldn't want us to take that risk at the moment.

The next manager is a crucial appointment for Moshiri. We can't get it wrong again and so I think whoever we appoint needs to be proven.

Thing is mate, we have been not taking risks with managers for ever, Martinez and Koeman and then Allardyce, all 'prem proven', all failed because ultimately one never understood the club or connected in Koeman, one is a stain on football and again doesn't understand or care about the club, the first in Martinez, did get us, ultimately he was let down by his own stubbornness.

Playing it safe guarantees nothing, look at West Bromwich, we aren't in a position to attract the proven best managers, so by its nature anyone will be seen as a risk.

Fonseca, could argue he failed in his biggest job at Porto, now dominating in a weak league with shakhtar, and doing well in cl, but is able to fully focus on the CL games due to the weak league etc, can he handle it at a more high media profile club, can he adjust to the league and adjust to not having the better players in each game in 95% of games?

Silva, vibrant positive young manager, or failed manager, the jury is out on him, is he Martinez mark 2?

Dyche, a twenty years younger big fat Sam, Burnley bubble well and truly burst like so many sides before who had one great season till Xmas and went down within the next two...

Howe, but he's a blue.... Ignoring the only time he left Bournemouth he was an utter disaster and as a near 40yo man got homesick... Martinez mark 2 again, but maybe more proof with that than with Silva.

So in short, anyone's a gamble, but some have clear glass ceilings in what the will ever achieve due to being limited, Artetas is a huge gamble, but he also has huge potential as well, I like it to going with young players over experienced ones, short term it's risky but long term it's the only chance unless you're city of doing anything...

 

[bluestevon]

It'd be one heck of a statement from Moshiri if he could bring Loew in, especially if Germany do well again

You'd have to think he'd be able to find us some hidden gems in the German league?

He'll go arsenal Mikey, German dof already in place effectively for him...

 

[Big Fat Sam]

Thing is mate, we have been not taking risks with managers for ever, Martinez and Koeman and then Allardyce, all 'prem proven', all failed because ultimately one never understood the club or connected in Koeman, one is a stain on football and again doesn't understand or care about the club, the first in Martinez, did get us, ultimately he was let down by his own stubbornness.

Playing it safe guarantees nothing, look at West Bromwich, we aren't in a position to attract the proven best managers, so by its nature anyone will be seen as a risk.

Fonseca, could argue he failed in his biggest job at Porto, now dominating in a weak league with shakhtar, and doing well in cl, but is able to fully focus on the CL games due to the weak league etc, can he handle it at a more high media profile club, can he adjust to the league and adjust to not having the better players in each game in 95% of games?

Silva, vibrant positive young manager, or failed manager, the jury is out on him, is he Martinez mark 2?

Dyche, a twenty years younger big fat Sam, Burnley bubble well and truly burst like so many sides before who had one great season till Xmas and went down within the next two...

Howe, but he's a blue.... Ignoring the only time he left Bournemouth he was an utter disaster and as a near 40yo man got homesick... Martinez mark 2 again, but maybe more proof with that than with Silva.

So in short, anyone's a gamble, but some have clear glass ceilings in what the will ever achieve due to being limited, Artetas is a huge gamble, but he also has huge potential as well, I like it to going with young players over experienced ones, short term it's risky but long term it's the only chance unless you're city of doing anything...

Excuse me mate but you have no idea how old I am.

 

[bluestevon]

While i do agree with you, the big difference is that we are at a lower point than all those clubs....more to lose we have really.

Maybe so mate, but more to gain also.

The way I look at this is really, thus league us so terrible outside 6 sides, that we will comfortably stay up despite the worst transfer spend waste in the games history, despite having three managers in one season, and despite not being able to do anything away from home.

You think in reality that someone cherry picked for his team by Guardiola and who has the most buzz about him by miles amongst young coaches here could actually be worse, I honestly don't.

Players who flop tend to be ones whose reputation as players got them over elevated, with Artetas career he's not getting statues built for him let's face it, his rep comes from those who taught or where on coaching courses with him, and from the managers who wanted him on there staff that badly.