Sam Allardyce

orly · February 26, 2018

Papa Shango said:
Fair point, by the same reasoning though these players have had 3 pretty different managers this season yet the results have remained the same. Their lack of movement does my head in to the point of it driving me mad as I am beginning to think I am the only one seeing it. It even happens on throw ins, they just stand there being marked, it's really weird.

Agree with that completely. There is absolutely no movement at all up front or in midfield - everyone just passes and stands still. When Rooney and Walcott do it - both having played at some point in sides famed for their movement off the ball - you can tell something is seriously wrong.

It's an odd one - many of the same players were in the side that tore apart City last season, and the goals in that game had brilliant movement. But the side is full of dull, horrible players now, like Kenny, Keane, Martina - and the ones likes Gueye and Davies who we can't carry any more - not an ounce of ingenuity among them. Kenny just charges forward, gets caught out, charges back, repeat.

peteblue · February 26, 2018

orly said:
I'm not sure you know.

Look at other teams like Leicester - the side that won the league was not wildly different to the one that stayed up the summer before. And before their miracle run to stay up, they were hopeless.

If you look at Allardyce's record, he gets roughly the same amounts of points per game everywhere. The players change, the outcome is the same - turgid garbage.

Yep, you could give him Man City tomorrow and they would start to play for a draw away, lose, and get a home win every other home game.......

onlyme · February 26, 2018

If only all our problems could be resolved by sacking BFS. I don't like him but the fact remains that we've had 3 different managers this seasons and the same issues have persisted with all 3. Inability to spot an opposing player in the penalty area and inept passing being just 2 fundamental flaws

brieverton · February 26, 2018

They say the team has no identity but it does.

A greasy dishcloth.

I find it difficult to accept that they are all as disinterested with no ability as it looked on Saturday.

There is a malaise running through this squad, to the point of disease. I accept the clear lack of quality its just the manner in which we sleepwalk through away games in particular.

I really did think Allardyce would at least try to jolt them out of this but he seems as disinterested and powerless as the rest of them and so soon too. So much to be fixed from top to bottom.

Oh for someone of the character of Reid or Watson in the dressing-room. As it is ours is probably quieter than a morgue. It would be a fitting metaphor.

wabisabi · February 26, 2018

Samuel A Lard said:
full of weeds that need rooting out ?

sadly no. nothing anywhere as purposeful, imaginative or engaged as that.

Stuartisitc1878 · February 26, 2018

brieverton said:
They say the team has no identity but it does.

A greasy dishcloth.

I find it difficult to accept that they are all as disinterested with no ability as it looked on Saturday.

There is a malaise running through this squad, to the point of disease. I accept the clear lack of quality its just the manner in which we sleepwalk through away games in particular.

I really did think Allardyce would at least try to jolt them out of this but he seems as disinterested and powerless as the rest of them and so soon too. So much to be fixed from top to bottom.

Oh for someone of the character of Reid or Watson in the dressing-room. As it is ours is probably quieter than a morgue. It would be a fitting metaphor.

Lardiola's simply collecting his wage every week and counting down the days till the summer when he gets a nice fat paid off. He has absolutely no intention of improving the team - that'll be the next guys problem.

evertonarntwe · February 26, 2018

onlyme said:
If only all our problems could be resolved by sacking BFS. I don't like him but the fact remains that we've had 3 different managers this seasons and the same issues have persisted with all 3. Inability to spot an opposing player in the penalty area and inept passing being just 2 fundamental flaws

our problems won't be resolved in that one instant, but it's the start of fixing the many problems we have

it's hardly the same either, I say this because Koeman constantly all summer stated he needed/wanted a striker and wasn't given one, and Unsworth worked with the same team that Koeman did

Fat sam has come in and been given 50 mill to spend in the window, bought a champions league proven striker and Walcott who has been arguably our best player since he's signed

he's also had coleman and bolasie back from injury something the other 2 never manager ( although bolasie is an absolute pony he's had the option)

then added to all this we are the same if not worse than the other 2 before him

LocalNative · February 26, 2018

onlyme said:
If only all our problems could be resolved by sacking BFS. I don't like him but the fact remains that we've had 3 different managers this seasons and the same issues have persisted with all 3. Inability to spot an opposing player in the penalty area and inept passing being just 2 fundamental flaws

The one common denominator with all three? Neither have ever been really successful, or played expansive football. Koeman basically booted away all fluidity of Martinez in favour of improving the defence - which he did to some extent.

Ever since we've been so imbalanced and set up the wrong way. With the players at our disposal there are no excuses for negative, stoneage and rigid football. Vlasic, Lookman, Walcott, Niasse, DCL, Sigurdsson etc all willing runners, we just don't play to suit that kind of football.

Axlswhk · February 26, 2018

Banner must be out the next home game regardless.

He’s absolutely trolling us with media interview. I’ve never seen such behaviour from an Everton manager in my 35 years supporting this club.

Big Fat Sam · February 26, 2018

I reckon most clubs below us in the league would kill for a 50m net spend in January. I also reckon their managers would absolutely not refuse to accept any blame for countless pathetic performances from their players.

welshtoffee · February 26, 2018

Axlswhk said:
Banner must be out the next home game regardless.

He’s absolutely trolling us with media interview. I’ve never seen such behaviour from an Everton manager in my 35 years supporting this club.

50+ years a blue now and I hate him more than anyone else ever associated with Everton, I just want him to crawl back under his money filled rock and disappear for life

Rollo Tomassi · February 26, 2018

Papa Shango said:
Fair point, by the same reasoning though these players have had 3 pretty different managers this season yet the results have remained the same. Their lack of movement does my head in to the point of it driving me mad as I am beginning to think I am the only one seeing it. It even happens on throw ins, they just stand there being marked, it's really weird.

The thrown ins have been ridiculous for years just watch the next time we have one on the edge of our box you can guarantee the opposition will have the ball within seconds.

MickA · February 26, 2018

orly said:
Agree with that completely. There is absolutely no movement at all up front or in midfield - everyone just passes and stands still. When Rooney and Walcott do it - both having played at some point in sides famed for their movement off the ball - you can tell something is seriously wrong.

It's an odd one - many of the same players were in the side that tore apart City last season, and the goals in that game had brilliant movement. But the side is full of dull, horrible players now, like Kenny, Keane, Martina - and the ones likes Gueye and Davies who we can't carry any more - not an ounce of ingenuity among them. Kenny just charges forward, gets caught out, charges back, repeat.

The players will buy into any system that looks to be intelligent and suited to their needs. A new man may come in tomorrow and completely free up the FB's to attack at will. Course that can only happen if you have a plan to compensate for when we lose the ball but it's just one extremely simple example of changing the team dynamics.

Royle made the same players Walker had into winners. He did it by instilling in them a system of play that they could achieve and that they bought into. This current crop of players look completely at odds with this dinosaurs tactics. And before somebody says they didn't play for Koeman either maybe it's just probable that his asks of them were also hanging them out to dry. Imagine being a Koeman FB, hiding to absolute nothing.

Toffeelover · February 26, 2018

Whilst I agree many of the players could do better but Sam needs to accept some blame here. The team selection and tactics are not quite right but does he relate to that - N0.

However I also agree under Koeman we signed average players for exorbitant fess but Sam can talk what of Tosun surely he was overpriced as well!

Big Fat Sam · February 26, 2018

All we need is a genuine winger on the left and a passing midfielder to play behind Sigurdsson (aside from a new left back, two centre backs and another striker).

As the above poster correctly says, there is absolutely no movement at all in the final third. I don't remember the last time somebody played a beautiful ball for an attacking player to run on to. City play about 10 defence-splitting passes per game, and the RS simply out-run people down the wings and have great movement once they're in on goal. We have nothing.