Sack Race 20/21

[kenada_blue]

Its mad how different a club like Chelsea is run to ours. They sacked a club legend with half the season left. Still in Europe and FA Cup and still a chance at top 4 considering how close the league is.

I reckon if Duncan was our manager we would be in league two before he got let go.

Its an utterly cold and ruthless way of operating, you almost have to admire it

Watford do the same....

 

[Martin Alvito]

Its an utterly cold and ruthless way of operating, you almost have to admire it

It's very Russian.

There's a reason there was mutual respect between adversaries during the Cold War. Both sides were very good at what they were good at.

 

[Sharpies volley]

I won't shed any tears for any manager who gets the sack not too long after losing at Goodison Park. God knows it's happened often enough to our own managers who've done the same.

It's just a saying mate. Just saying I didn't think it would be long before it happened.

 

[arbok]

Its mad how different a club like Chelsea is run to ours. They sacked a club legend with half the season left. Still in Europe and FA Cup and still a chance at top 4 considering how close the league is.

I reckon if Duncan was our manager we would be in league two before he got let go.

Its an utterly cold and ruthless way of operating, you almost have to admire it

I have worked with very rich people (not as rich as Abramovich of course), but rich none the less (also i'm not rich). These people believe money solves everything, what they don't have is time. With football, a few losses can kill a season and they have to restart again next season, and these 'rich oligarch capitalists' want to win it every season, and every competition. Sacking the coach sends a message of who's in control, you get paid to do a job, and if you don't do it you're replaceable. It's as much about Frank as it is everyone on the squad and anyone down to the lunch lady that steps foot in stamford bridge. The players are paid more than other players so they need to win, otherwise he'll pay someone else. This isn't like Everton who haven't won a competition in 25 years and continue to persist with the same manager for a season and a half even though I personally agree to give a manager a fair shake.

Personally speaking I find men like Abramovich pretty evil, some will say they're smart and calculating and logical, but imo its greed and an abuse of power. The most depressing part of extreme wealth, is that its mostly a game, the people at the top are all looking to surpass each other, if they don't, they're worried they'll get taken out even though its just part of their imagination.

Also anyone wondering why a manager like Carlo would come to Everton? Guys like Abramovich is exactly why. In Carlo's books, Carlo hasn't exactly failed at any of his clubs, but its always been a small matter that got him sacked. At Real he lost a few matches and he was out, they were second at the time i think. At Bayern, his players threw him under the bus. At Napoli he sided with the players and not the owner. After all that - it totally makes sense to come to a stable club like Everton rather than another corporate club like Arsenal. Its probably the same deal with James. After you get a taste of the big clubs and the way they operate, had the fame, you go where you can do your best work.

 

[ClausThomsen]

agree.

Whatever people think of Tuchel, he is never a step back from Lampard.

Tuchel is a good coach who will get a lot more from the great group of attacking players they have in Chelsea.

For sure he is to clever for his own good at times, but he will get them back on track. Chelsea squad is very strong and needs to be challenging. Their mistake was going with sentiment and appointing Lampard as coach. It backfired.

Tuchel has done some excellent work and Mainz aside where he felt he could do no more it's always been odd, or extreme, circumstances often not (or not entirely) of his own doing that has seen him leave jobs.

Proven calibre in terms of improving misfiring sides, working with and without money, getting the best out of big names and playing good football. His copybook has some blots but there are far fewer blots on it than many top managers out there.

 

[zukai12_]

"Wae ey man dat Mackem Bstard is Rooning our Cloob "


Bruce must go soon surely

 

[YoboCopter]

I have worked with very rich people (not as rich as Abramovich of course), but rich none the less (also i'm not rich). These people believe money solves everything, what they don't have is time. With football, a few losses can kill a season and they have to restart again next season, and these 'rich oligarch capitalists' want to win it every season, and every competition. Sacking the coach sends a message of who's in control, you get paid to do a job, and if you don't do it you're replaceable. It's as much about Frank as it is everyone on the squad and anyone down to the lunch lady that steps foot in stamford bridge. The players are paid more than other players so they need to win, otherwise he'll pay someone else. This isn't like Everton who haven't won a competition in 25 years and continue to persist with the same manager for a season and a half even though I personally agree to give a manager a fair shake.

Personally speaking I find men like Abramovich pretty evil, some will say they're smart and calculating and logical, but imo its greed and an abuse of power. The most depressing part of extreme wealth, is that its mostly a game, the people at the top are all looking to surpass each other, if they don't, they're worried they'll get taken out even though its just part of their imagination.

Also anyone wondering why a manager like Carlo would come to Everton? Guys like Abramovich is exactly why. In Carlo's books, Carlo hasn't exactly failed at any of his clubs, but its always been a small matter that got him sacked. At Real he lost a few matches and he was out, they were second at the time i think. At Bayern, his players threw him under the bus. At Napoli he sided with the players and not the owner. After all that - it totally makes sense to come to a stable club like Everton rather than another corporate club like Arsenal. Its probably the same deal with James. After you get a taste of the big clubs and the way they operate, had the fame, you go where you can do your best work.

Carlos wage would of swayed him to come to Everton aswell lets not make no mistake about that

 

[TyphooToffee]

Spot on. A disgrace that he got that job in the first place. I feel sorry for genuinely talented young managers who have cut their teeth in the lower leagues, having to watch jokers like lampard, Gerrard, Rooney (and even arteta to a certain extent) waltz into top jobs.

Gerrard got a top job?

 

[TyphooToffee]

Carlos wage would of swayed him to come to Everton aswell lets not make no mistake about that

Who's Carlos?

 

[TyphooToffee]

....it could well have gone sour for him at Derby and he’d never had got that big opportunity again. If he’s still interested, I suspect somebody will take a chance on him.

He's by no means a busted flush. I think Championship clubs will be falling over themselves to recruit him. Maybe even one or two Premier League clubs

 

[TyphooToffee]

Confirmed



This has been a very difficult decision, and not one that the owner and the Board have taken lightly.

We are grateful to Frank for what he has achieved in his time as Head Coach of the Club. However, recent results and performances have not met the Club’s expectations, leaving the Club mid-table without any clear path to sustained improvement.

There can never be a good time to part ways with a club legend such as Frank, but after lengthy deliberation and consideration it was decided a change is needed now to give the Club time to improve performances and results this season.

Roman Abramovich said,
“This was a very difficult decision for the Club, not least because I have an excellent personal relationship with Frank and I have the utmost respect for him’.

“He is a man of great integrity and has the highest of work ethics. However, under current circumstances we believe it is best to change managers.

“On behalf of everyone at the Club, the Board and personally, I would like to thank Frank for his work as Head Coach and wish him every success in the future. He is an important icon of this great club and his status here remains undiminished. He will always be warmly welcomed back at Stamford Bridge.”

The Club will be making no further comment until such time as a new Head Coach is appointed.

I have a lot of respect for Abramovich after reading that. That is of course if those are his own words and not something drafted for him.

 

[Ring master]

I have a lot of respect for Abramovich after reading that. That is of course if those are his own words and not something drafted for him.

Not sure if Abramovich even usually respond's when he sacks someone either - never take any notice when he does it

 

[TyphooToffee]

Do you want them crying in the streets? He's clearly not up to the job, hasn't been on the end of a vitriolic campaign (though empty stands no doubt contribute to that) and will be rewarded very handsomely for his efforts. If something's not working then changing it isn't a shameful action.

It's not as if Lampard went there thinking that Abramovich is a patient man known for allowing managers time to ride out poor spells - and they have been appalling in some recent performances.

Club legend Howard Kendall got a hell of a lot of grief from fans during even his first spell. Condemning all around while not acknowledging that it's largely standard behaviour is cultish behaviour better suited to that lot across the park. And even the great Howard Kendall completely bombed Big Nev out of the club with barely a whimper from the fans or a chance to acknowledge his career at Everton - that's football.

If you want to see shameful look at the complete banishment of Shankly from the RS before embracing his memory for marketing purposes. Or the club fully endorsing CGI zombie Paisley flogging financial products for a particularly contemptible financial institution while former players who supposedly respected him take full part.

I think the Howard Kendall first managerial affair can only be compared to Alex Ferguson and, most recently, to Ralph Hasenhüttl. It really makes me sad to think how much bigger a club we would be now without the European ban. I know it can't really be compared to the Munich air disaster, but the effect on the team was certainly devastating.

 

[Seathestars]

I hope Putin has some nice words for Carlo when he decides to retire

 

[TyphooToffee]

I would like to say that Everton beating them 1-0 started his downfall.

Consider permission granted and say it