Running


Well I’ve now experienced what hitting “the wall” feels like

Sheer hell!

Got it done anyway
Immense that you got through/over the wall. Its a pretty lonely place but you did it.

Well Done. Recover fast and get the legs back working again.

I help out at the local Couch 2-5K which started its next 9 week crash course last night. Looking forward to see how the new starts fair up. There are a fair few who have been inspired by watching the Marathon runners so for all who ran London/Manchester, well done for being the inspiration for the next wave of runners to come along.
 
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After a few days to reflect I’m blaming the heat 😂

Nothing to do with me going off too fast! My second half was 12 minutes slower than my first half.

New target for the summer is see how close to 17 flat 5k I can get
Just about everybody goes out too fast , I was spot on my time at 1/2 m , then lost 12 mins too , mainly in the last 6 miles. I was looking at London times for my age group , people were losing way more than 12 mins in the 2nd half so you did well . It’s great you’ve got other targets …….but I suspect you’ll still need to go back and scratch the marathon itch next year 🙂
 

After a few days to reflect I’m blaming the heat 😂

Nothing to do with me going off too fast! My second half was 12 minutes slower than my first half.

New target for the summer is see how close to 17 flat 5k I can get
I’m curious. Just about everybody in my age group at London lost 6-12 minutes in the 2nd half , I’d love to ask them why . Starting too fast is obvious but I’d be curious to know if they had a nutrition/ gels strategy. Can I ask if you were using gels or similar prior to your bonk, and if so how many ?
 
I’m curious. Just about everybody in my age group at London lost 6-12 minutes in the 2nd half , I’d love to ask them why . Starting too fast is obvious but I’d be curious to know if they had a nutrition/ gels strategy. Can I ask if you were using gels or similar prior to your bonk, and if so how many ?
It could be I started too fast but my usual half marathon time would be about 1:23 and my first half of Manchester Marathon was more like 1:34 so I don’t necessarily think I did.

Up to mile 16 felt pretty easy.

I had a gel every 25 minutes - so 8 in total. Gels had 23g of carbs in and were 60g hi-five electrolyte gels. Maybe too little? I started cramping up last hour.

I tried to take water on from each station but in hindsight I could maybe have just stopped and necked a whole one instead of getting a couple of rubbish sips on the move.

Heat obviously made things difficult - heart rate averaged 159
 
It could be I started too fast but my usual half marathon time would be about 1:23 and my first half of Manchester Marathon was more like 1:34 so I don’t necessarily think I did.

Up to mile 16 felt pretty easy.

I had a gel every 25 minutes - so 8 in total. Gels had 23g of carbs in and were 60g hi-five electrolyte gels. Maybe too little? I started cramping up last hour.

I tried to take water on from each station but in hindsight I could maybe have just stopped and necked a whole one instead of getting a couple of rubbish sips on the move.

Heat obviously made things difficult - heart rate averaged 159

Heat is the killer and that`ll be the reason why.

Have a look at what heat does to the body during prolonged exercise and you`ll see why you slowed down.

At a lot of the trail races I do in the Summer, they have bowls of crisps amongst the usual stuff at the feed stations.

It took me a while to cotton onto the fact that they were there to help replace the salt ( sodium ) that`s lost through sweating, which is one of the big things that causes problems whilst running for long periods of time when it`s hot.
 

It could be I started too fast but my usual half marathon time would be about 1:23 and my first half of Manchester Marathon was more like 1:34 so I don’t necessarily think I did.

Up to mile 16 felt pretty easy.

I had a gel every 25 minutes - so 8 in total. Gels had 23g of carbs in and were 60g hi-five electrolyte gels. Maybe too little? I started cramping up last hour.

I tried to take water on from each station but in hindsight I could maybe have just stopped and necked a whole one instead of getting a couple of rubbish sips on the move.

Heat obviously made things difficult - heart rate averaged 159
Thanks . That’s quite a good intake, approximately 55 g per hour. I had a recommendation from Precision Nutrition to get 60 g per hour of their 30 g of carbs gels . I took one 20 mins before the start then another at 4 mile, puked it up at 6 miles ! I’d obviously tried the gels in training without problems so I’m now trying to figure out why this has happened in my last two marathons, possibly the increased pace of the marathon compared to training .
Then I’m wondering if this is also a cause ( lack of nutrition) of fading in the 2nd half of a marathon. It’s both what makes a marathon intriguing to me, trying to figure these things out to get it right, and frustrating as you can hardly go out and run a fast marathon next month to try out different theories!
 
After a few days to reflect I’m blaming the heat 😂

Nothing to do with me going off too fast! My second half was 12 minutes slower than my first half.

New target for the summer is see how close to 17 flat 5k I can get
What's your 5k time at the moment and how old are you?
 
It could be I started too fast but my usual half marathon time would be about 1:23 and my first half of Manchester Marathon was more like 1:34 so I don’t necessarily think I did.

Up to mile 16 felt pretty easy.

I had a gel every 25 minutes - so 8 in total. Gels had 23g of carbs in and were 60g hi-five electrolyte gels. Maybe too little? I started cramping up last hour.

I tried to take water on from each station but in hindsight I could maybe have just stopped and necked a whole one instead of getting a couple of rubbish sips on the move.

Heat obviously made things difficult - heart rate averaged 159
I thought there used to be a rule of thumb to x2 your half marathon time, plus 20 minutes.

Sounds plenty of gels to me. Pretty sure I've never ran a marathon with gels. I used to just take lucozade tabs (gels possibly weren't invented in 2003?). Ten years or so later, it was jelly babies too.

500ml of sports drink the night before, 500ml in the morning of the race.

Cramp will be the heat no doubt
 
I thought there used to be a rule of thumb to x2 your half marathon time, plus 20 minutes.

Sounds plenty of gels to me. Pretty sure I've never ran a marathon with gels. I used to just take lucozade tabs (gels possibly weren't invented in 2003?). Ten years or so later, it was jelly babies too.

500ml of sports drink the night before, 500ml in the morning of the race.

Cramp will be the heat no doubt

Best thing I ever had, was slices of ice cold melon at one race.

Full of sugar, easy to digest and really refreshing.
 

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