Runcorn

[tsubaki]

When you get a sell out Red Tory Party in power you get political opponents like Reform taking safe seats off you.

I just saw Starmer on the telly saying that the message he received last night was "we have to pick up the speed for all our policies and enact them"....the policies that just seen them battered by Reform.

The Former Labour Party are heading for a split.

The problem for Labour is that both "sides" of the PLP are wrong in their analysis of these results.

People generally don't give two figs about what Starmer wants to do in terms of reforming current government practice - so that its slighly less corrupt and delivers slightly more. They also don't give a fig about the things that most of the anti-Starmer MPs are claiming they are upset about - ie: the winter fuel payment, the denial of WASPI women's compo and cuts to benefits etc.

What people want, what Labour need to do, is competent government that they can see dealing with the very large and very simple problems the country faces and the population experiences. People can see how hard it is for them / their kids to afford a house, how much education costs, how expensive energy is, how expensive train travel and car ownership can be. People can see how dangerous the international situation is getting and how important it is to get as ready as we can be for what might happen

Labour is starting to do something about those things, and its vastly more likely to do something about them things than Reform are, but it needs to do more and do it much more obviously. A good start would be to speed up the (re)creation of British Rail, and to build enough homes in the next year that people see the impact on rental prices; Farage will oppose them (as the good little shill he is) and his electorate will not.

 

[neil999]

The problem for Labour is that both "sides" of the PLP are wrong in their analysis of these results.

People generally don't give two figs about what Starmer wants to do in terms of reforming current government practice - so that its slighly less corrupt and delivers slightly more. They also don't give a fig about the things that most of the anti-Starmer MPs are claiming they are upset about - ie: the winter fuel payment, the denial of WASPI women's compo and cuts to benefits etc.

What people want, what Labour need to do, is competent government that they can see dealing with the very large and very simple problems the country faces and the population experiences. People can see how hard it is for them / their kids to afford a house, how much education costs, how expensive energy is, how expensive train travel and car ownership can be. People can see how dangerous the international situation is getting and how important it is to get as ready as we can be for what might happen

Labour is starting to do something about those things, and its vastly more likely to do something about them things than Reform are, but it needs to do more and do it much more obviously. A good start would be to speed up the (re)creation of British Rail, and to build enough homes in the next year that people see the impact on rental prices; Farage will oppose them (as the good little shill he is) and his electorate will not.

They at least have time on their side, a long time till gen election I can see splits ahead for reform

 

[davek]

The problem for Labour is that both "sides" of the PLP are wrong in their analysis of these results.

People generally don't give two figs about what Starmer wants to do in terms of reforming current government practice - so that its slighly less corrupt and delivers slightly more. They also don't give a fig about the things that most of the anti-Starmer MPs are claiming they are upset about - ie: the winter fuel payment, the denial of WASPI women's compo and cuts to benefits etc.

What people want, what Labour need to do, is competent government that they can see dealing with the very large and very simple problems the country faces and the population experiences. People can see how hard it is for them / their kids to afford a house, how much education costs, how expensive energy is, how expensive train travel and car ownership can be. People can see how dangerous the international situation is getting and how important it is to get as ready as we can be for what might happen

Labour is starting to do something about those things, and its vastly more likely to do something about them things than Reform are, but it needs to do more and do it much more obviously. A good start would be to speed up the (re)creation of British Rail, and to build enough homes in the next year that people see the impact on rental prices; Farage will oppose them (as the good little shill he is) and his electorate will not.

How can you divorce the cost of living crisis that you ay IS the issue people want 'Labour' to get on top off from people losing WFP and benefits and pensions they were banking on?!

That's incoherent.

The 'Labour' Party will be a one term government because they've accelerated the amount of u-turns while in office. People dont like having the piss ripped out of them. They'll punish them...and because some reporter goes on a vox pop fishing expedition for anti-immigrant knuckle draggers then they're who you see on the screen as typical Reform voters.

The only way you destroy Farage is by more investment on people and jobs. This Starmer lot aren;t doing that and they'll continue hacking away at spending too.

Austerity doesn't work and all the cowards on the back benches of the government have a big decision to make in a year or so time: get shut of the leadership or get out of the LP as an independent in preparation for starting a new party on the left.

 

[NorthernBlue]

How can you divorce the cost of living crisis that you ay IS the issue people want 'Labour' to get on top off from people losing WFP and benefits and pensions they were banking on?!

That's incoherent.

The 'Labour' Party will be a one term government because they've accelerated the amount of u-turns while in office. People dont like having the piss ripped out of them. They'll punish them...and because some reporter goes on a vox pop fishing expedition for anti-immigrant knuckle draggers then they're who you see on the screen as typical Reform voters.

The only way you destroy Farage is by more investment on people and jobs. This Starmer lot aren;t doing that and they'll continue hacking away at spending too.

Austerity doesn't work and all the cowards on the back benches of the government have a big decision to make in a year or so time: get shut of the leadership or get out of the LP as an independent in preparation for starting a new party on the left.

Starmer has no opinion on anything. He flip flops from one side to the other. For all the faults of the electorate we can all smell and suss a backstabbing sneak. Labours major problem is Starmer. With him they are done.

 

[neil999]

Starmer has no opinion on anything. He flip flops from one side to the other. For all the faults of the electorate we can all smell and suss a backstabbing sneak. Labours major problem is Starmer. With him they are done.

Who replaces him? Only two I can think of is Rayner and Streeting, both very divisive

 

[Tim's tourettes]

It's an immensely poor town and it doesn't surprise me one bit that some of the population have been hoodwinked by a billionaire snake oil salesman. Tbf, the US has done exactly the same just on a much larger scale.
I'd like to think that the general UK population won't follow suit in the next election but I'm not overly confident

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Oh no.

 

[NorthernBlue]

Who replaces him? Only two I can think of is Rayner and Streeting, both very divisive

They are done. Only pray for them staying in power is the voting system. Such a huge majority and all they’ve done is attack people on benefits.

 

[tsubaki]

How can you divorce the cost of living crisis that you ay IS the issue people want 'Labour' to get on top off from people losing WFP and benefits and pensions they were banking on?!

That's incoherent.

The 'Labour' Party will be a one term government because they've accelerated the amount of u-turns while in office. People dont like having the piss ripped out of them. They'll punish them...and because some reporter goes on a vox pop fishing expedition for anti-immigrant knuckle draggers then they're who you see on the screen as typical Reform voters.

The only way you destroy Farage is by more investment on people and jobs. This Starmer lot aren;t doing that and they'll continue hacking away at spending too.

Austerity doesn't work and all the cowards on the back benches of the government have a big decision to make in a year or so time: get shut of the leadership or get out of the LP as an independent in preparation for starting a new party on the left.

Because those things (WFP and benefits) are not ones that affect the vast majority of people, dave - and the effect (so far at least) is not significant, especially for WFP.

Talking about "investment" will not do anything too - the only thing that people will respond to is something that they can see and experience. Reducing the energy price, rents or rail fares will have a much bigger impact than

 

[NorthernBlue]

Because those things (WFP and benefits) are not ones that affect the vast majority of people, dave - and the effect (so far at least) is not significant, especially for WFP.

Talking about "investment" will not do anything too - the only thing that people will respond to is something that they can see and experience. Reducing the energy price, rents or rail fares will have a much bigger impact than

But they won’t do any of that. They have the majority to change all of this but no interest in doing so. They are not a “Labour” party.

 

[Groucho]

We didn't need them voting Reform as an excuse to nuke Runcorn off the face of the Earth Groucho.

Fair

 

[Blue 1]

They are done. Only pray for them staying in power is the voting system. Such a huge majority and all they’ve done is attack people on benefits.

https://eastangliabylines.co.uk/politics/the-first-6-months-what-has-labour-actually-done/

Their communications team need firing into the sun.

I disagree with many things they've done, and some of them would've had me tearing my hair out if I had any left, but it's not really true that all they've done is kick people on benefits. Which Reform would do much harder.

 

[Rita_Poon]

It's like the electorate became so hooked on the promises of deliveries made by certain phonies, that on voting for change the expectation was there all the same.

"someone promised us a nuclear station a year and 30 new hospitals and 90 new schools, they didn't live up to this so we're voting you in to pick up from where they left off".

It's peppa pig world fanciful dreaming.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Really don't underestimate the role of social media here. Seen many many video clips being shared featuring stern looking blokes, men who look like the average joe, laying down the law and purporting that Labour and Starmer "hate us".

Brexit exposed a nerve. Reform are prodding it. Hard.

 

[NorthernBlue]

https://eastangliabylines.co.uk/politics/the-first-6-months-what-has-labour-actually-done/

Their communications team need firing into the sun.

I disagree with many things they've done, and some of them would've had me tearing my hair out if I had any left, but it's not really true that all they've done is kick people on benefits. Which Reform would do much harder.

I do t disagree about reform. But Labour are not doing anywhere near enough. Panic looks to be setting in now. But anyone with half a brain could have foreseen whats coming yet they didn’t. They have gently skirted around the edges when they have the majority to use a sledgehammer.