Ross Barkley

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AndyC said:
Whilst we (members in general, not just Moderstors) may have differing opinions to Dave and even have reservations about some of and the amount of his posting, your comment about 'you lot' is somewhat offensive.

Dave knows only too well, that he stretches things without blatantly breaking rules, and he also receives his fair share of warnings and threadbans.
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Have to say this is what I find hard to deal with mate. He's so prolific in his agenda pushing (and as such he gets tons of bites) that popping him on ignore just makes threads look like a bunch of madmen wittering to themselves.

Anyway, on topic, Ross clearly isn't black so think it's OTT to scream racist...horrid ignorant bell who hates Liverpool and its inhabitants sure, but racist I'm not convinced. To label him such diminshes real, vile racism.
 
Armaghtoffee said:
That's not the point though Dave. It's irrelevant what McKenzie knows of Barkley's family, he has caused offence by the publication of that article. That's how it works in law; if I make a sectarian comment in work then it doesn't matter if I knew the religion of the offended or not.

I know you aren't defending McKenzie but plenty will using your same logic. You may well be right that he knows nothing of Ross but this shouldn't be a refuge to the man. Neanderthals will try though.

I like your posting Dave, a counterpoint to the unbounded enthusiasm of others like me. You are a bit off the mark with this topic though in my humble opinion mate.
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That's a poor analogy.

You can call somebody a gorilla or a beast without it being racist. I'm reminded of a storyline in the TV show 'The Entourage' where a white character is turned into an angry and stupid gorilla for a cartoon. The characterisation had nothing to do with the historical racial insult, and the same is true here.

I highly doubt Kelvin MacKenzie knew Barkley had a grandfather of African descent, his description of Barkley was moronic and offensive but not racist at all. For people to suggest so and then be offended on Barkleys behalf is totally stupid.

By all means slate MacKenzie, but don't try and do it with something that simply isn't true.
 
davek said:
No chance mate.

Far be it from me to hand out support to that scurrilous scumbag, but there's no way he'd have known about Barkley's heritage when making that insult.
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Strange that it was a player whose got a Nigerian grandparent that he chose to compare to a gorilla mate, would you feel the same if fans would mysteriously decide to do monkey chants at him? It was blatant as it comes and fits his view of the city and its people.
 
Brennan said:
That's a poor analogy.

You can call somebody a gorilla or a beast without it being racist. I'm reminded of a storyline in the TV show 'The Entourage' where a white character is turned into an angry and stupid gorilla for a cartoon. The characterisation had nothing to do with the historical racial insult, and the same is true here.

I highly doubt Kelvin MacKenzie knew Barkley had a grandfather of African descent, his description of Barkley was moronic and offensive but not racist at all. For people to suggest so and then be offended on Barkleys behalf is totally stupid.

By all means slate MacKenzie, but don't try and do it with something that simply isn't true.
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I would be amazed if MacKenzie didn't know he was mixed race, and absolutely flabbergasted if no-one pointed it out to him when that article was scrutinized (as it no doubt would have been, coming from him, about someone from Merseyside, on the day before the anniversary). You also have to acknowledge his front for going on about unearned money and sleeping around at a time when - according to Popbitch at least - he is so desperate for cash (because his wife is about to divorce him for sleeping with a secretary) that he has launched his own price comparison website.

>> Product displacement <<
MacKenzie faces double chop

If you're one of the remaining
few who can still bear to read
Kelvin MacKenzie's column in the
Sun, you'll maybe have wondered
why he's been mentioning his
price comparison website, A
Spokesman Said, so much. Well,
it's because he desperately
needs it to take off.

Kelv is facing an expensive
divorce. Remember a couple of
years back we reported that
he was having an affair with
a secretary at the Sun, and
was all set to shack up with
her until getting cold feet
at the last minute? His wife
has finally decided to give
him the boot and is set to
take him to the cleaners.

Presumably the reason he's
working the self-promotion
angle so hard is that he knows
Rebekah Brooks is aching to bin
his 300K a year column - cutting
costs and helping to detoxify
the Sun's brand in one easy
move. He's hanging on by a
thread (thanks to support from
editor Tony Gallagher and owner
Rupert Murdoch) so is almost
literally trying to make hay
while the Sun shines.
 

McKenzie isn't the "soft arse" some people on here are making out. The man is the journalistic equivalent of a cockroach...how the hell could he survive the total vilification of his Hillsborough debacle and still bob back up out of the sludge to be a columnist in a national newspaper...albeit one with a huge circulation but wretched image. Surely people can see how vile he is when much respected journalists like Henry Winter and Jonathan Northcott use low terms to publicly denigrate and condemn his behaviour.
 
tsubaki said:
I would be amazed if MacKenzie didn't know he was mixed race, and absolutely flabbergasted if no-one pointed it out to him when that article was scrutinized (as it no doubt would have been, coming from him, about someone from Merseyside, on the day before the anniversary). You also have to acknowledge his front for going on about unearned money and sleeping around at a time when - according to Popbitch at least - he is so desperate for cash (because his wife is about to divorce him for sleeping with a secretary) that he has launched his own price comparison website.

>> Product displacement <<
MacKenzie faces double chop

If you're one of the remaining
few who can still bear to read
Kelvin MacKenzie's column in the
Sun, you'll maybe have wondered
why he's been mentioning his
price comparison website, A
Spokesman Said, so much. Well,
it's because he desperately
needs it to take off.

Kelv is facing an expensive
divorce. Remember a couple of
years back we reported that
he was having an affair with
a secretary at the Sun, and
was all set to shack up with
her until getting cold feet
at the last minute? His wife
has finally decided to give
him the boot and is set to
take him to the cleaners.

Presumably the reason he's
working the self-promotion
angle so hard is that he knows
Rebekah Brooks is aching to bin
his 300K a year column - cutting
costs and helping to detoxify
the Sun's brand in one easy
move. He's hanging on by a
thread (thanks to support from
editor Tony Gallagher and owner
Rupert Murdoch) so is almost
literally trying to make hay
while the Sun shines.
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Why ?

He's white skinned, I don't think that it's typical for the skin colour of footballer's grandparents to be common knowledge.

I wouldn't have known he had a black grandfather, I had a vague recollection when I saw it posted in this thread, and I'm an Everton fan.
 

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