Ross Barkley

[Saint Domingo]

Ok fair enough play in a two with Gana as cover, but the signing of schneiderlin suggests this isn't going to be the case. As schneiderlin is more the box to box midfielder, a position you feel could get the best out of Ross. Or either schneiderlin will be in a two as a defensive midfielder with Gana.

Yeah Koeman likes a very defensive midfield two like he had at Southampton in Wanyama and Schneiderlin. It makes you very solid but unless we get some extremely creative players to go in the three behind Rom I cant see the football being great.

 

[Walken]

Play him cm ffs you utter coward of a manage koeman

 

[duncs pigeon]

He slows the play down cos he only has Lukaku surrounded by 3 defenders to possibly pass to.

This 100%. Teams know how play us. Our players are like cardboard cut outs when Ross has the ball. Sometimes players are made to look bad due to the dross around them.

 

[Azzurri]

Play him cm ffs you utter coward of a manage koeman

Yep. Can't believe he got hooked against Leicester when we were chasing a game while Gareth Barry plodded round midfield looking on death's door. On what planet do we need two defensive midfielders when a team are camped on their own 6 yard line and we've got 10 minutes for a goal to stay in the FA Cup? Plus it meant the 47 forwards we had on the pitch stood round with no one to give them a decent pass or link the play.

At home, unless we're against the top sides, Barkley should be in midfield with Gueye or McCarthy and we could get a proper number 10 in or even try someone else there. I can understand two battlers when we're away or against the likes of Chelsea but we couldn't keep hold of the ball for a few seconds at home to Swansea the other week ffs. We should just be taking the piss out of teams like that.

 

[Tel001]

Fair enough mate - like you, I was probably there when he scored them goals too. You may as well add in Norwich away, Bournemoth, QPR, Hull and many others for the record.

You reckon he slows us down and doesn't press, or tackle. You know what....I could level that accusation, in a given selective memory, against many of our players. Barkley has a bandwagon in our support, sing one minute he's a diamond when we win, the next he is a dog if we lose. Does my head in. I know his weakness at times, I suspect many do, but don't exaggerate it as if 'he ever can't tackle, can't press' ....because you know what, I've seen him do that well, many times and sometimes more than once in a match (home and away). Doesn't make him great at it either. It's his job to do all this from midfield.

Our fans are fickle, 'lacks a footballing brain'....no offence, but where did that come from? Not many who have the ability to be a Premiership & International footballer submit to this forum, so perhaps an unfair opinion, unless you are one. He probably sees things different to us...and vice versa. I've said before that Barkley takes too big a slice of nonsense on here...but I'd rather have him in our team than any other.

Opinions will vary, no doubt he has a lot to improve but he isn't the only one in our team.

Right... so if he can tackle and press why doesn't he? Must mean he can't be bothered does it? That's one of the reasons he gets stick...

You say that becuase he is a premiership footballer then we can't say he has no footballing brain? Because we aren't prem footballers ourselves?

So that means I cannot say niasse is crap .. as he's better than me?

You can see a footballing brain in players you don't have to have one yourself to be able to see it.

 

[Tel001]

This 100%. Teams know how play us. Our players are like cardboard cut outs when Ross has the ball. Sometimes players are made to look bad due to the dross around them.

So ross isn't playing well or reached his potential because

1: all of the 7 mamagers he's had in his career didn't manage him correctly

2: it's the fans fault

3: it's his team mates fault

4: he's played in the wrong postion

So basically it's everyone but his own fault?

 

[Eggs]

So ross isn't playing well or reached his potential because

1: all of the 7 mamagers he's had in his career didn't manage him correctly

2: it's the fans fault

3: it's his team mates fault

4: he's played in the wrong postion

So basically it's everyone but his own fault?

....I have to say that I agree about there being too many excuses. A top player goes out and positively impacts games on a regular basis. A top player makes things happen on a football pitch. Love him or loathe him, the bottom line is RK appears to have a team model that Barkley struggles to adapt to. It's probably that simple. I would think RK will want to fill the side with the type of players who can execute his plans.

We all have our favourites but they might well be shipped out or drop down the pecking order for what the manager feels is the greater good. I'm not particularly defending RK but he's been brought in to do a job, let him get on with it and if he doesn't change things for the good he'll be gone.

 

[Groucho]

....I have to say that I agree about there being too many excuses. A top player goes out and positively impacts games on a regular basis. A top player makes things happen on a football pitch. Love him or loathe him, the bottom line is RK appears to have a team model that Barkley struggles to adapt to. It's probably that simple. I would think RK will want to fill the side with the type of players who can execute his plans.

We all have our favourites but they might well be shipped out or drop down the pecking order for what the manager feels is the greater good. I'm not particularly defending RK but he's been brought in to do a job, let him get on with it and if he doesn't change things for the good he'll be gone.

In some ways I reckon Ross' situation is magnified with him being a local lad.

 

[Eggs]

In some ways I reckon Ross' situation is magnified with him being a local lad.

....historicaly it was said local players suffered more at the hands of the crowd, the contrast being that we all like to see our own come through the ranks. You make a valid point which I think is amplified because Barkley came in as 'the next big thing' and quickly got international recognition. We don't see the same debate about Browning.

 

[Groucho]

....historicaly it was said local players suffered more at the hands of the crowd, the contrast being that we all like to see our own come through the ranks. You make a valid point which I think is amplified because Barkley came in as 'the next big thing' and quickly got international recognition. We don't see the same debate about Browning.

I hope the same doesn't happen to Davies. I actually think he's looking like the player we all want Ross to have been.

 

[Eggs]

I hope the same doesn't happen to Davies. I actually think he's looking like the player we all want Ross to have been.

..... I don't think Davies is coming in with quite the hype. That will help his cause. Also, he's not quite the flair player Barkley is. Barkley drew comparison with Gascogne and Rooney such was his skill set.

Davies' game is lots to do with application, something which Barkley probably lacks. It means that when he's having an off day, young Tom will still be seen to be having a real go. Ultimately, though, it's up to the player to seize the opportunity he gets. Only time will tell if Davies has what it takes or if he gets found out playing consistently at the top level.

It's a brutal business but the rewards are very high. Barkley and Davies (to a lesser extent) are very wealthy young men.

 

[duncs pigeon]

So ross isn't playing well or reached his potential because

1: all of the 7 mamagers he's had in his career didn't manage him correctly

2: it's the fans fault

3: it's his team mates fault

4: he's played in the wrong postion

So basically it's everyone but his own fault?

If you read the original post, I was voicing my opinion why he slows the game down. Saying that, if Ross was at Spurs he would shine and if you put Deli Alli in ourside he would struggle, imo like.

 

[Tel001]

If you read the original post, I was voicing my opinion why he slows the game down. Saying that, if Ross was at Spurs he would shine and if you put Deli Alli in ourside he would struggle, imo like.

Barkley wouldn't get into the Spurs team... they press and tackle... something alli does very well... runs and works hard . Barkley doesn't do this

 

[BurnhamBlue]

Barkley wouldn't get into the Spurs team... they press and tackle... something alli does very well... runs and works hard . Barkley doesn't do this

What Alli also does well, he gets in the box in scoring positions. Every game you see him get a chance. Most of the time with Barkley, he's watching from outside the box. When he does get in the box, he does well but it's not often enough.

 

[yakublue]

What Alli also does well, he gets in the box in scoring positions. Every game you see him get a chance. Most of the time with Barkley, he's watching from outside the box. When he does get in the box, he does well but it's not often enough.

To be fair to Barkley they are just different players. Barkley tends to play a bit deeper than Alli and to see more of the ball. He creates more than Alli does, as is demonstrated by the fact that he's got twice as many assists, and has created twice as many chances this season. He's also worse defensively than Alli, but that's not his game.

It's kind of like comparing Arteta and Cahill when they were both at Everton, with Barkley as a worse version of Arteta, and Alli as a better version of Cahill. I'm not saying I wouldn't rather have Alli, but if Barkley was a great version of the player he is, I wouldn't be complaining.