Ross Barkley

[davek]

Safe haven??? Like what the frig

We're a football club who've won nothing in 22 years and need to sort the mess out ASAP. We aren't some Sunday league team where young lads can come down to get away from the stress of the previous week.

If Ross wants to play here then he needs to continue to improve and he needs to learn that this is a pressurised environment. If he hasn't got the mental strength to succeed and be a winner then on yer bike son, and enjoy West Ham.

The moment all that ^^^ becomes good analysis is when the whole of the team comes in for the same level of scrutiny. Instead we've seen the dullards, has beens and never will be's get away with weak performances while our best player is under the microscope.

 

[billyblue80]

He's obsessed on Barkley in a way he never did with any other player this season. Initially he brought Barkley up for discussion at the beginning of the season by giving interviews where he stated Barkley hadn't delivered in his career. Then his press conferences were dominated by questions on Barkley and he never held back.

There can be no re-writing of history on this. Koeman has heaped pressure on Barkley all season.

Because he is trying to pressure Barkley and his agent into signing.But he knows he's off so is looking ahead.

 

[davek]

Sorting the wheat from the chaff, don't forget Koeman will probably only be here 3 seasons so he has to move fast, you only have to glance at the table and the home record to see how he has transformed the side, if anyone can't hack it and gets chewed up along the way that's there problem.

That's the reason why it's not conducive to building a team. It was a numb nuts appointment and it's costing us not only an arm and a leg with =his salary but also costing us our best talent walking out the club.

 

[davek]

But surely he 'targeted' him as you put it because he felt there was a better player in there who warrented his attention. It worked as well. Among the group I attend the matches with, most felt he had plateaued and where disappointed in him generally. This season , following Koeman 'targeting him', all felt he improved massively, and at the games you can sense that's the opinion of the whole crowd. Hence the standing ovations, I don't recall him getting many the previous seasons.

He hasn't responded at all. I he has it's only negatively and to inhibit his own natural game.

Koeman cant manage Barkley. That is abundantly clear.

 

[flibbyflob]

West Ham and Newcastle the only interested clubs hahahaha, he's going to do a Mirallas in 2015 and just give up and sign the contract in the end.

That is if there is still a contract to sign. Koeman doesn't look the sort to back down, if he says he will be sold if he doesn't sign by a certain day then I think he will be. Either that or the contract he signs is less money for Ross than the one on the table now for messing the manager around.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

He hasn't responded at all. I he has it's only negatively and to inhibit his own natural game.

Koeman cant manage Barkley. That is abundantly clear.

Yet if you question most match going fans all would say he has improved massively this season. This has been reflected in the support and appreciation he has received at the games this season . It was largely absent in the previous two seasons. If his natural game is drifting around showing occasional flashes of brilliance, but contributing little to the team defensively ,then perhaps we do need someone more accomplished in his stead.
As it is I , personally, have been impressed by his performances this season and will be sorry to see him leave, if he does.

 

[Tony Hibbert's 3rd leg]

He hasn't responded at all. I he has it's only negatively and to inhibit his own natural game.

Koeman cant manage Barkley. That is abundantly clear.

I don't think Koeman doubts Barkley's talent, he's been highly creative this season.

He's asked Barkley, as well as others, to be more productive. For Barkley it's goals and assists, and he hasn't got those up to a quality level.

These days being given a season to impress is actually a long time, on top of Barkley being a regular first team player for a few years now.

Whether he can manage Barkley or not, I'm not too bothered. If he can't, then let him get a player he can manage and that can meet the managers demands more proficiently. There's nothing wrong with that.

 

[The_La]

That's the reason why it's not conducive to building a team. It was a numb nuts appointment and it's costing us not only an arm and a leg with =his salary but also costing us our best talent walking out the club.

Lukaku would have gone last summer if not for Koeman. As it is, he's stayed, improved, and will go for a higher fee this summer.

Barkley is a trickier one. Yes Koeman hasn't been all that great for him - but he's been offered a contract and he's holding out for more money. The ball is in Barkley's court not Koeman's.

As for whether Koeman was a good appointment or not - we are 1 year into his 3 years and have improved a lot - despite a bungled first transfer window.

On moshiri (just read some of your many negative posts elsewhere), you can't pin Lukaku leaving on him as a broken promise. Yes we sold stones - but followed that up in January with over £30m of deals. The spending will come. But But stones and lukaku wanted to leave way before Moshiri was here. Selling them doesn't mean he's failing or asset stripping. Moshiri inherited a club hat was badly underperforming, and sometimes it takes longer to turn around a club than a big player will wait. We've lost stones and we will lose lukaku and maybe Barkley but I think long term we will be stronger under Moshiri.

That said, I expect us to miss out on lots more players while we are not a CL team.

 

[MikeH72]

Our best talent ending up at West Ham is utter scenes and limbs.

 

[DrEFC]

At very least he's had an actual manager to improve his game, so if he goes, we may still actually get money for him.

 

[Cels]

My psychic rabbit tells me he's nailed on for Newcastle United

 

[kenada_blue]

Yet if you question most match going fans all would say he has improved massively this season. This has been reflected in the support and appreciation he has received at the games this season . It was largely absent in the previous two seasons. If his natural game is drifting around showing occasional flashes of brilliance, but contributing little to the team defensively ,then perhaps we do need someone more accomplished in his stead.
As it is I , personally, have been impressed by his performances this season and will be sorry to see him leave, if he does.

Same.

But a lot don't think he's improved one bit. Yet, either don't want him to go...or want a replacement.

To me it looks like he's done enough to get the big boys sniffing so he's got a decision to make. He's still got lots of room to work and improve and also time.

He's been playing for 4 years, maybe he thinks he needs to move on to get better.

End of the day, he stayed here and bossed it next season, we'd end up selling him anyway

 

[kenada_blue]

Our best talent ending up at West Ham is utter scenes and limbs.

You seen them photos of Ross wiping his hoop with an Everton as well lid?

 

[davek]

I don't think Koeman doubts Barkley's talent, he's been highly creative this season.
He's asked Barkley, as well as others, to be more productive. For Barkley it's goals and assists, and he hasn't got those up to a quality level.
These days being given a season to impress is actually a long time, on top of Barkley being a regular first team player for a few years now.
Whether he can manage Barkley or not, I'm not too bothered. If he can't, then let him get a player he can manage and that can meet the managers demands more proficiently. There's nothing wrong with that.

I've yet to see an attacking player he's brought in that are up to the task, tbh.

 

[davek]

Lukaku would have gone last summer if not for Koeman. As it is, he's stayed, improved, and will go for a higher fee this summer.

Barkley is a trickier one. Yes Koeman hasn't been all that great for him - but he's been offered a contract and he's holding out for more money. The ball is in Barkley's court not Koeman's.

As for whether Koeman was a good appointment or not - we are 1 year into his 3 years and have improved a lot - despite a bungled first transfer window.

On moshiri (just read some of your many negative posts elsewhere), you can't pin Lukaku leaving on him as a broken promise. Yes we sold stones - but followed that up in January with over £30m of deals. The spending will come. But But stones and lukaku wanted to leave way before Moshiri was here. Selling them doesn't mean he's failing or asset stripping. Moshiri inherited a club hat was badly underperforming, and sometimes it takes longer to turn around a club than a big player will wait. We've lost stones and we will lose lukaku and maybe Barkley but I think long term we will be stronger under Moshiri.

That said, I expect us to miss out on lots more players while we are not a CL team.

"We've lost stones and we will lose lukaku and maybe Barkley but I think long term we will be stronger under Moshiri."

To get stronger we'll first have to replace the talent haemorrhaging from the club THEN buy quality on top of that...and the evidence of his first season here with the lowest net spend we've had in three seasons shouldn't fill anyone with confidence all that spending will happen. Add to that mix a manager who apparently wont be around more than another two seasons and a director of football who is just a chief scout and therefore not capable of overseeing transitions in management and you have a recipe for a big fat turd sandwich.