Osman vs Larissa ... loved that goal... had everything ... counter attacking.... one touch football.... a back heel and a long range outside of the boot finish...
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Osman vs Larissa ... loved that goal... had everything ... counter attacking.... one touch football.... a back heel and a long range outside of the boot finish...
Blueeyedboy
Player Valuation: £225k
The defensive side of his game is fine for a player playing where he does. Indeed it was only a few weeks ago against Burnley that he got MOTM because he contributed so much in that game defensively (as pointed out on MOTD).
We play those 3 because they are good players in their own right and we don't have a lot of other options, not because of some big master plan to negate Barkleys weaknesses. Koeman simply wouldn't pick someone who didn't have any defensive discipline..
Great? He's been better not great... he played well for about 10 games... so that's about 10 games since January last year that he has played well in ... Great !
DRM
Player Valuation: £10m
Correct!
Same thing with Lukaku. Other teams pin 2 or 3 defenders on him. This should create freedom and space for creative (and fast?) midfielders to profit. We just don't seem to have them. And as a result Ross and Rom get criticized for not turning up some games.
I agree.
Difference is from those 6 players you have compared him to..gerrard used to drag the team to win trophies... Ali has scored 20+ goals , Pedro has won league titles and knows what it takes, pogba is a league winner... and hazard has won the league... been PFA player of the year and is about to win the league again ... Ali is younger than ross... pogba had won the league at Ross's age and hazard was a PFA player of the year when he was Ross's age.
All the players mentioned don't offer anything defensively but... apart from countinho and pagan all are consistent players that contribute on pretty much a weekly basis and also produce in big games... ross can't because he isn't as good as them or mentally as strong...
Which is hard when you have two or three oppo players on you and, in Ross's case, nobody else to create a chance and, in Rom's case, nobody else to score a load of goals.
Ross has improved this season. He's a much better player. He played badly on Saturday. Point is, every player has bad games now and then - and that's when others in the side need to step up. Ultimately, we don't have those players atm, due to injuries and the fact we haven't got another 'playmaker' in the squad.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Good luck to you, but your post to me was poorly argued.
You have missed the point completely.
Every one of the players you have mentioned where surrounded by proper top drawer players, Ross is not.
Point being, all these players need support, and Ross does not really have that, being in attack or defense, those top players he is compared to all have different level support.
He should be given till the Arsenal game to sign. Otherwise sell.
I want him to stay but he's not as good as he obviously thinks.
I want him to stay but he's not as good as he obviously thinks.
Gerrard was not surrounded by top class players mate... and the point was that ross doesn't do enough offensively so that it's worth playing 3 holding CM because he usually doesn't offer enough defensively
Yeah, Hazard and Pedro - two wingers - aren't as good at defending. Neither is Sergio Aguero, but comparing apples to oranges here.
Gerrard, Pogba, Alli and even to an extent that ladyboy - they all track back and run, put a foot and a tackle in, at every opportunity. Remember when Ross did that more than once a month? We have to accommodate him to be Ross Barkley by putting a million other players that are willing to do the hard work because he just doesn't. Never did, never will, at least not on a consistent basis. We can't have a midfield behind him giving him the ball - Koeman's addressed that by putting other players in slightly more 'free' midfield positions - Davies has done okay for the most part, for example, and it's what Barkley should be doing - being a presence *off* the ball too, not just on it. If he's only doing 50% - hell yeah he'll be predictable and doubled up on. Any team will know that he won't try to win the ball back and get half-arsed when chasing.
From your examples - Pedro actually doес a lot of work up and down the field, despite it being from winger positions, yet still manageс to score loads of goals and all that.
Gerrards best spell, by some distance, he had Alonso & Mascherano behind him, and Torres, Kuyt and Luis Garcia ahead of him, all quality.
Even players like Suarez, Haman, Lucas early on, Coutinho. Different level to anything Ross has played with.
Well, Ross IS our most creative player.
kenada_blue
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Same can be said of £70million Lukaku.
And I've no doubt he can be questioned. But at the moment the whole teams success revolves mainly around two 23 year olds who can't hide behind better players or a squad.
He does have flaws, but for the most part, it's arguable him and Rom that have got us sitting 7th on the pitch.
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