Ross Barkley

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The thing is though mate, unless we refuse the sky money we can't ban sky. The difficulties with all boycotts of any kind is where you draw the line. I understand people saying about Sky but it is a separate company. Just as The Times are a separate Newspaper, albeit with a lot of overlap.

What this sorry affair is showing to me though is that the club have got into bed very closely with TalkSport via Jim White. It was a means to an ends which while I was uncomfortable with I could see the benefits (i.e. exposure far beyond what our current mob could guarantee). However the drawback may well be having to tolerate the Sun. It may be unfortunate for the club, but if you sleep with dogs you get fleas. I think this is a big best for Moshiri, who so far has done very well at not making decisions to upset anyone, but this is his first test.

As for Anderson I probably go two ways on him. I agree with you on a sense that he's quite astute in what could be described as quite shitbaggery. He's not massively trustworthy and we will have to make sure rather than playing him over this ground he doesn't end up playing us. That being said I have no issue with the Major of Liverpool pressuring the club over it's ties to people like TalkSport. While I can accept some of the specifics of what he said may to be perfect the essence of saying to that Everton board, tolerating newspapers who attack our players isn't acceptable is fair enough.

He may be out of control, as might Jim White, Talk Sport or the Sun (or even Usmanov). To me Moshiri is balancing a lot of competing interests off against each other. It will be fine while things go well but believe me if could turn sour if things start to spark. It's a risky game. Anderson's behaviour is more a consequence than a cause.

I dont think there is much distinction between Sky and that paper. It's always been a huge hypocrisy that the S*n is a pariah but Sky is tolerated...a convenient hypocrisy because of the cash injection of Sky.

You either have principle or you don't. If Anderson is adamant that Murdochs presence is marginalised in the city then he has to state that the club's sever links with his empire.

Anderson is a huge hypocrite and he's turned on this club and accused it of selling out the city. How bad is that when he can't even get the paper thrown out of shops in the city he has a large say over?

He's 'kin shameful.
 

What's he said exactly on the new ground mate?
He's said nothing other than this week's statement about the possibility of using the BMD stadium for a running track.

I'm just saying that the former OTT chummying up to the club's owners has now turned to him accusing them in public of stabbing the city in the back.

Something doesn't add up and I don't think it sounds like good news for the stadium situation.
 
Kelvin Mckenzie is a nasty piece of [Poor language removed] full stop. It's certainly a mean spirited and rude article penned about Ross, but it's ironic it's an article about a footballer that's got him censured considering some the outrageous lies he's peddled on far more serious matters over the years. Not to say racism, isn't serious of course.
 
He's said nothing other than this week's statement about the possibility of using the BMD stadium for a running track.

I'm just saying that the former OTT chummying up to the club's owners has now turned to him accusing them in public of stabbing the city in the back.

Something doesn't add up and I don't think it sounds like good news for the stadium situation.


What price the blues banning him instead dave ?
 
He's said nothing other than this week's statement about the possibility of using the BMD stadium for a running track.

I'm just saying that the former OTT chummying up to the club's owners has now turned to him accusing them in public of stabbing the city in the back.

Something doesn't add up and I don't think it sounds like good news for the stadium situation.


With all due respect for some strongly held opinions over Joe Anderson, that have been precipitated by a scurrilous article in the most unpopular newspaper in the area about one of our key players...

The thread is wandering away from Ross Barkley.

By all means debate Joe Anderson and the rights and wrongs of his tweets etc but start another thread and I'd suggest, not here in the Everton Forum.

Thanks.
 

I dont think there is much distinction between Sky and that paper. It's always been a huge hypocrisy that the S*n is a pariah but Sky is tolerated...a convenient hypocrisy because of the cash injection of Sky.

You either have principle or you don't. If Anderson is adamant that Murdochs presence is marginalised in the city then he has to state that the club's sever links with his empire.

Anderson is a huge hypocrite and he's turned on this club and accused it of selling out the city. How bad is that when he can't even get the paper thrown out of shops in the city he has a large say over?

He's 'kin shameful.

I'll try and take each point, which are all valid. I can't put a position that the Sun and Sky aren't heavily linked. We know they are. The media is one big racket in all honesty and his played a filthy role in society of the last 30 years. The Sun wrote what they wrote after Hillsborough, and perhaps more relevantly they have published what is racist language against Barkley. I accept and suspect the main cause her has been ignorance but it's their job not to make these mistakes. Either way, in fairness Sky haven't said those things. I do think the principle of judging people/organisations on what they do as opposed who they are alligned to is important. That being said I'm not averse to a call to boycott sky too, but I'm not sure we are there yet in terms of winning the wider argument?

I agree with you that some of what Anderson is now saying is not helpful. Attacking Mckenzie and attacking Everton Football Club are different things. He could have done one without the other. I think language such as "selling the city out" is a bit rich and you are right leaves him open to the accusation you have made. I also think it makes Evertonian's defensive, so thats not a great intervention at all.

That being said if you ask me, hand on heart if I had to pick a side; either supporters, campaign groups around Hillsborough, now probably Ross Barkley who will have had to have read that nonsense (and lets not forget having had to put up with years of rubbish from pundits and coaches scapegoating him) wanting to ban the Sun, or Moshiri, Kenwright and Elstone trying to keep up cosy relations with Jim White I know which side I am intuitively on. Whichever way we look at it, we have sold ourselves down the river going cap in hand to blokes like Jim White. How can Kenwright give the speech he does at the Hillsborough memorial and go along with that? We've had to do it, to be blunt because some two bob Murdoch spin knows how to market our club better than our own people and Moshiri hasn't shown the balls to bin off the chaff from the previous regime. That inertia is allowing a space for Newspapers to target our young players who have been subject to a cowardly assault (which you rightly pointed out could have been a lot worse) and shift the discourse away from one of sympathy to one of guilt on Barkley's part.

Forget letting the City down and other hyperbolic phrases that don't help, but if the old regimes inadequacy and the new ones cowardice allows the Sun to remain an active part we have let Ross Barkley down.

As a final aside, there is no way on earth Liverpool FC allow any newspaper to get away with this to one of their players. There's no way Alex Fergusan allows this to happen to a United player (remember him going on the attack re Cantona). He'd have personally battered any Sun journalists trying to get in after this. We are a nice club but we lack that ruthless self preservation that exists in clubs that are the best currently. Inaction over this will re-enforce that. To think we would sell Ross Barkley down the river so Moshiri can keep his relationship going with his mate at Talk sport.
 
I dont think there is much distinction between Sky and that paper. It's always been a huge hypocrisy that the S*n is a pariah but Sky is tolerated...a convenient hypocrisy because of the cash injection of Sky.

You either have principle or you don't. If Anderson is adamant that Murdochs presence is marginalised in the city then he has to state that the club's sever links with his empire.

Anderson is a huge hypocrite and he's turned on this club and accused it of selling out the city. How bad is that when he can't even get the paper thrown out of shops in the city he has a large say over?

He's 'kin shameful.

This is a good ethical point, which I'm guilty of, and thought a lot about. Would I buy the s*n - no 'kin way. Do I watch Everton on sky - yes.

However, I've said this for a while that the main culprit as I see it, is Mackenzie himself, as he oversaw the s*n position over Hillsborough and for a long time refused to backtrack whatsoever, until his position became untenable.

The newspaper itself will have had lots of staff turnover since that time, so banning/shunning the paper itself is largely symbolic (but probably worthwhile, on account of the utter sh!te it comes out with every day on every other subject).

We can argue about murdoch but he's interested in one thing - making money.

Mackenzie though is a spiteful, lying, odious gobsh!te, who is now just controversial to remain relevant - so there's a difference in intention and motivation, with him and murdoch.
 
He's said nothing other than this week's statement about the possibility of using the BMD stadium for a running track.

I'm just saying that the former OTT chummying up to the club's owners has now turned to him accusing them in public of stabbing the city in the back.

Something doesn't add up and I don't think it sounds like good news for the stadium situation.
Pack it in now Dave.
This anti Anderson / Moshiri/ and everything Everton has gone far enough.
Its as if you want the whole shebang to fall flat on its face , just so you can sit there smugly to say I told you so.
People on here have questioned if you actually support this club , every thread is littered with your agenda now and quite frankly its getting beyond ridiculous.
 
Pack it in now Dave.
This anti Anderson / Moshiri/ and everything Everton has gone far enough.
Its as if you want the whole shebang to fall flat on its face , just so you can sit there smugly to say I told you so.
People on here have questioned if you actually support this club , every thread is littered with your agenda now and quite frankly its getting beyond ridiculous.
THIS ALL DAY LONG.I would say more but have been banned twice due to rising to that little scrots malakies.
 

I dont think there is much distinction between Sky and that paper. It's always been a huge hypocrisy that the S*n is a pariah but Sky is tolerated...a convenient hypocrisy because of the cash injection of Sky.

You either have principle or you don't. If Anderson is adamant that Murdochs presence is marginalised in the city then he has to state that the club's sever links with his empire.

Anderson is a huge hypocrite and he's turned on this club and accused it of selling out the city. How bad is that when he can't even get the paper thrown out of shops in the city he has a large say over?

He's 'kin shameful.

Exactly. Banning them whilst letting Sky, the Times, Fox and the rest of his businesses into the club makes no sense.

You also have to admire Anderson taking the opportunity of one of our players being racially abused and called a thicko to demand that we do something about something else.
 
Exactly. Banning them whilst letting Sky, the Times, Fox and the rest of his businesses into the club makes no sense.

You also have to admire Anderson taking the opportunity of one of our players being racially abused and called a thicko to demand that we do something about something else.
Let's be honest, this club relies heavily on money from those sources, would we survive without them? Not likely.
 
Pack it in now Dave.
This anti Anderson / Moshiri/ and everything Everton has gone far enough.
Its as if you want the whole shebang to fall flat on its face , just so you can sit there smugly to say I told you so.
People on here have questioned if you actually support this club , every thread is littered with your agenda now and quite frankly its getting beyond ridiculous.

Anderson has behaved disgracefully over this, though.
 
He's said nothing other than this week's statement about the possibility of using the BMD stadium for a running track.

I'm just saying that the former OTT chummying up to the club's owners has now turned to him accusing them in public of stabbing the city in the back.

Something doesn't add up and I don't think it sounds like good news for the stadium situation.
Maybe they've told him to shove his running track where the sun don't shine , Dave ......Just saying ;)
 

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