Ross Barkley

[EFCINLONDON]

Too worked up today. Needs to sign a new contract and keep listening to Koeman.

 

[TommyDavo]

Thing is, when Sewerness made that statement the footage he was talking over from the match showed Barkley spinning away from Liverpool players and looking a real thoroughbred.


The feller hasn't got a clue. Just looking for easy targets.

Barkley is a very frustrated player at the moment. He's been neutered and his game week in week out is not about what we saw today. It's much more conservative...but the lad instinctively knows that conservative is not required in a game like that - discipline, yes.

Rubbish. Other than today Barkley is playing the best I've seen him. Controlled decisive, all you could eant

 

[AndyC]

Thing is, when Sewerness made that statement the footage he was talking over from the match showed Barkley spinning away from Liverpool players and looking a real thoroughbred.


The feller hasn't got a clue. Just looking for easy targets.

Barkley is a very frustrated player at the moment. He's been neutered and his game week in week out is not about what we saw today. It's much more conservative...but the lad instinctively knows that conservative is not required in a game like that - discipline, yes.

Not sure I'd use 'frustrated' Dave, confused - most certainly.
For me, he still - at times- seems unsure of his best position and role within the team.

 

[davek]

Rubbish. Other than today Barkley is playing the best I've seen him. Controlled decisive, all you could eant

Great against tripe outfits. Even against the worst Liverpool team for years that type of bits and pieces game isn't enough.

The lad is a swashbuckling player that needs to get on the ball. No wonder he cuts a frustrated figure and leaves his foot in.

 

[davek]

Not sure I'd use 'frustrated' Dave, confused - most certainly.
For me, he still - at times- seems unsure of his best position and role within the team.

You would see it immediately mate if he went to a club like Chelsea or United or City: he'd be the creative CM in harness with a CM who holds. The better back four at those clubs would step forward and help out and leave RB to pull the strings from deeper than where he is right now. The lad needs space to gallop into and needs to be facing play. I know Koeman has tinkered with his positioning, but it's still a very vague place he takes up his game in.

 

[Ivo]

So many times today he dwelled on the ball. Even took it off players who were advancing at times and he slowed the move down.

I've been a big fan of his, but we need more decisive players in that role. I don't think he's got it. If we've got money to spend we need a top attacking midfielder. I known there is already a thread but I'd take sigurdsson straight away. I'm sure there are players abroad who can do better that we can get as well.

 

[TommyDavo]

Great against tripe outfits. Even against the worst Liverpool team for years that type of bits and pieces game isn't enough.

The lad is a swashbuckling player that needs to get on the ball. No wonder he cuts a frustrated figure and leaves his foot in.

Left his foot in because his control was poor when he got on the ball. Love Ross but that's a few times he's got over exhuberant in big games. Nobody is restricting him other than himself

 

[AndyC]

You would see it immediately mate if he went to a club like Chelsea or United or City: he'd be the creative CM in harness with a CM who holds. The better back four at those clubs would step forward and help out and leave RB to pull the strings from deeper than where he is right now. The lad needs space to gallop into and needs to be facing play. I know Koeman has tinkered with his positioning, but it's still a very vague place he takes up his game in.

Agree... one of the reasons I would be keen on us making a move for someone like Fabregas who would provide the space for Ross to play in, and give him the ball in a positive manner i.e. ahead of him to run onto to rather than behind that causes him to check, turn this way and that looking for a play and thus getting closed down quickly and ending up with him losing possession in areas he should be dominating the game.

 

[davek]

Left his foot in because his control was poor when he got on the ball. Love Ross but that's a few times he's got over exhuberant in big games. Nobody is restricting him other than himself

Nothing mistomed about them. He went in and did Lovren for one...not arsed like, he's a snide that deserves it.

 

[davek]

Agree... one of the reasons I would be keen on us making a move for someone like Fabregas who would provide the space for Ross to play in, and give him the ball in a positive manner i.e. ahead of him to run onto to rather than behind that causes him to check, turn this way and that looking for a play and thus getting closed down quickly and ending up with him losing possession in areas he should be dominating the game.

I still go back to his first derby when we were unfortunate to draw 3-3. He was dropped back deep and ran 'kin riot against a far better Liverpool team than that.

When is the penny going to drop that Barkley is never a player you have that far up the pitch looking to lay off and link up?

 

[TommyDavo]

Nothing mistomed about them. He went in and did Lovren for one...not arsed like, he's a snide that deserves it.

Didn't say it was mis-timed. Was late and knew exactly what he was doing, and no Lovren didn't deserve the potentially serious injury. Anyway as I say, Ross is playing the best I've seen him under Koeman's direction

 

[jinkyali]

I still go back to his first derby when we were unfortunate to draw 3-3. He was dropped back deep and ran 'kin riot against a far better Liverpool team than that.

When is the penny going to drop that Barkley is never a player you have that far up the pitch looking to lay off and link up?

The fact you go back nigh on four years for the performance suggests he isnt that great at it.

 

[jal123]

I think he has played well against most top teams because he is given time and space. Liverpool have done well against the top teams because they plan to stifle the creative and most dangerous players and do it to great effect. Look at Spurs and Arsenal at the pit...nullified the most creative players. Same with Ross and Lukaku not being given an inch. They fully concentrated on our 2 most effective players.

Fancy a manager nullifying the oppositions best players, frankly it's been so long since an everton manager did that in a Derby we've all forgotten what it feels like

 

[davek]

Didn't say it was mis-timed. Was late and knew exactly what he was doing, and no Lovren didn't deserve the potentially serious injury. Anyway as I say, Ross is playing the best I've seen him under Koeman's direction

Well, that one is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[jal123]

I still go back to his first derby when we were unfortunate to draw 3-3. He was dropped back deep and ran 'kin riot against a far better Liverpool team than that.

When is the penny going to drop that Barkley is never a player you have that far up the pitch looking to lay off and link up?

Agree with this, he's an '8' not a ten, needs to be right in the middle of the pitch pulling the strings not hanging around roms shoulder thinking he's Kaka.