Ronald Koeman discussion

[matty1878]

The pundits on talk radio have been linking us with the likes of Harry Redknapp and Tony Pulis.

For me, Sean Dyche would be a good appointment. He'd certainly get us top 10. And he'd at least keep the score down in the derby.

None of them mate none.

 

[matty1878]

No we're not, we'd just get someone else in. In my opinion this group of players should be nowhere near relegation if coached properly. Unsworth will coach them properly.

Get another one in when we don't know the position and it's not exactly easy? Unsworth it's just to risky so deffo no.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

This is absolutely baffling to me.

Improved last season. Got us back to the minimum we expect to be, and had a superb home record. Played youngsters and we played some good stuff and returned to Europe.

The start to the season has been really poor. And while if he did go then he'd only have himself to blame, why any fan would advocate wishing their team to lose is beyond me.

He was let down at the end of the window and I think now Moshiri realises this - hence the backing. It showed how much we needed a few more players in, and Walsh and the board ultimately have a lot to answer for in that regard.

Koeman himself has a lot to answer for as he doesn't seem to have a 'plan' as of yet, and if that doesn't improve then he'll go.

But to want the team to lose. Nah mate, do one on that.

Thing is though Toff, the whole recruitment throughout the summer was a bit mental... BUT and I do say this with a big but, these players would have been brought in with a conversation with Koeman and Walsh. THEY must have had a plan, a formation and an idea on how to play these players - its alright saying you want "productivity" and purchasing it if you have no idea how to put a team together.

A striker changes nothing right now, we don't produce enough clear chances to actually score them, so said striker would have been a passenger and more then likely deemed a waste of money because nothing was getting to them.

Koemans policy and tactics and everything about this season stinks, I was lucky enough to sit in a box right close to the dug out this season a couple of time and he spends more time moaning to Dunc and Erwin about the ball being passed back then he does to the players.

He needs to sort things out and fast cos he is quickly losing me....

 

[jceverton]

Get another one in when we don't know the position and it's not exactly easy? Unsworth it's just to risky so deffo no.

All a matter of opinion Matty, i'm sure as i can be that Unsworth will come in and do a good job, you're not. Either way Koeman needs to go.

 

[kenada_blue]

Thing is though Toff, the whole recruitment throughout the summer was a bit mental... BUT and I do say this with a big but, these players would have been brought in with a conversation with Koeman and Walsh. THEY must have had a plan, a formation and an idea on how to play these players - its alright saying you want "productivity" and purchasing it if you have no idea how to put a team together.

A striker changes nothing right now, we don't produce enough clear chances to actually score them, so said striker would have been a passenger and more then likely deemed a waste of money because nothing was getting to them.

Koemans policy and tactics and everything about this season stinks, I was lucky enough to sit in a box right close to the dug out this season a couple of time and he spends more time moaning to Dunc and Erwin about the ball being passed back then he does to the players.

He needs to sort things out and fast cos he is quickly losing me....

It's pretty obvious though why the ball goes back...he doesn't play any ball carriers to go forward. There's no Barkley anymore.

Rooney is probably the only on who tries to do it. Davies when he plays too.

He doesn't play Mirallas or Lennon, Siggurdson doesn't do it. Klassen is scared to do it. Add to the fact there's little pace to get behind the defence, the ball goes back to keep possession.

It's his fault not the players.

 

[BlueToff]

I just find every given moment he is of on is holidays or swinging a golf club round.

aye maybe,

but then again what would you expect him to be doing right now?

Thing is though Toff, the whole recruitment throughout the summer was a bit mental... BUT and I do say this with a big but, these players would have been brought in with a conversation with Koeman and Walsh. THEY must have had a plan, a formation and an idea on how to play these players - its alright saying you want "productivity" and purchasing it if you have no idea how to put a team together.

A striker changes nothing right now, we don't produce enough clear chances to actually score them, so said striker would have been a passenger and more then likely deemed a waste of money because nothing was getting to them.

Koemans policy and tactics and everything about this season stinks, I was lucky enough to sit in a box right close to the dug out this season a couple of time and he spends more time moaning to Dunc and Erwin about the ball being passed back then he does to the players.

He needs to sort things out and fast cos he is quickly losing me....

I agree mate.

Early in the window it seems there was a clear strategy.

But after Lukaku's departure, it looked like we were just focused on Gylfi (which is all well and good, he's a good player) and didn't seem to have a plan.

Early in the window - Pickford (priority), Klaassen (we needed that type of midfielder and I still think he can be very good for us), Keane (priority to get a CB in) and Sandro (needed a forward).

Rooney was a good edition, but hasn't been used right and Koeman seems to have fallen into the trap of trying to fit them all in to the same side.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

It's pretty obvious though why the ball goes back...he doesn't play any ball carriers to go forward. There's no Barkley anymore.

Rooney is probably the only on who tries to do it. Davies when he plays too.

He doesn't play Mirallas or Lennon, Siggurdson doesn't do it. Klassen is scared to do it. Add to the fact there's little pace to get behind the defence, the ball goes back to keep possession.

It's his fault not the players.

Oh no, I am not absolving him of blame with that mate... I completely blame him for the set up and plan of the players, for instance I watched him speak to Rooney 5 times about not dropping back and being further up the pitch. Even when the likes of Davies is on the pitch, he can only get so far with no-one ahead of him.

The whole thing has been a bit of a shambles, from the recruitment to the set up of the team and players.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

aye maybe,

but then again what would you expect him to be doing right now?


I agree mate.

Early in the window it seems there was a clear strategy.

But after Lukaku's departure, it looked like we were just focused on Gylfi (which is all well and good, he's a good player) and didn't seem to have a plan.

Early in the window - Pickford (priority), Klaassen (we needed that type of midfielder and I still think he can be very good for us), Keane (priority to get a CB in) and Sandro (needed a forward).

Rooney was a good edition, but hasn't been used right and Koeman seems to have fallen into the trap of trying to fit them all in to the same side.

Yep, it all started off so well - focusing on holes, GK, CB, a potential box to box and Sandro (potential and cheap). My issue purely stands with the chase of Gylfi - we focused far to long on him while ignoring the other needs, then panicked when we didn't get a striker in (Giroud agreement or not).

We should have drew the line under Gylfi until later in the window, and concentrated on what we needed.

The problem that I have is, surely through all the window Koeman and Walsh where talking and saying well the team needs to set up like this and how we move forward. We have seen 0 consistency in the team, and the players themselves don't know what they are doing.

I am not saying its the same, but I watched the match, watched from a very close position at the weekend and the players ignore Koeman for 90% of the game - its starting to reek of Martinez last few matches.

 

[neil999]

Yep, it all started off so well - focusing on holes, GK, CB, a potential box to box and Sandro (potential and cheap). My issue purely stands with the chase of Gylfi - we focused far to long on him while ignoring the other needs, then panicked when we didn't get a striker in (Giroud agreement or not).

We should have drew the line under Gylfi until later in the window, and concentrated on what we needed.

The problem that I have is, surely through all the window Koeman and Walsh where talking and saying well the team needs to set up like this and how we move forward. We have seen 0 consistency in the team, and the players themselves don't know what they are doing.

I am not saying its the same, but I watched the match, watched from a very close position at the weekend and the players ignore Koeman for 90% of the game - its starting to reek of Martinez last few matches.

I think we could look at other transfer targets while pursuing gylfi, i dont think that can be given as a reason for not getting a striker

but buying gylfi when we didnt need anyone for that position is the bigger issue...

 

[Khalekan]

Waiting till Christmas is amateurish and pathetic. He should have been told that the next 2 games are must win or you're out. We need a league win cause 16th is unacceptable and we need to beat Lyon at home or we're out. Ambitious clubs don't say let's look again at Christmas regardless of the situation.

If this run of form continues Christmas is way too late.

I am no longer even worried about going out the EL because we have much more important things to worry about right now.

We do not win away and two of the next three games are away.....against teams which will fancy themselves to beat us.

(let’s face it, Crystal Palace would fancy their chances against us at the moment )

In between those games we play Arsenal.....we know what Moshiri thinks of games like that.

When the November international break rolls around there is a very real chance we will be stuck in t’ bottom three.

That being the case, it is inconceivable Koeman will still be here after it.

But who knows with this fellow Moshiri

 

[Kev50]

You know what

Ronald Koeman has landed at Barcelona airport El Prat and intends to spends a few days in the Catalan city, report Sport.

The Everton manager arrived in Barcelona from Majorca, and is there for a mini holiday, taking advantage of the international break.

Sport say it’s a chance for the Dutchman to escape his difficult situation at Everton, after a challenging start to the season.

Koeman has even seen his Goodison Park future called into question following the home defeat to Burnley, and he’ll be hoping things change for the better when domestic football kicks off again.

The Catalan newspaper point out that Koeman is well thought of in Barcelona, a hero for fans after his European Cup final goal.

Whilst he’s repeatedly been linked with taking over at the Camp Nou, those chances seem a long way off now, with Koeman struggling at Everton, and Ernesto Valverde settling in well at Barcelona.

Enjoy your holiday Ronald you deserve it.
Hopefuly Barcelona offer him a job.

,you know what, I thinkhe's gone for an interview. Just when we needed him most

 

[toffeeblue9]

Strikes me that this international break has come at a good time for Koeman. The fume will undoubtedly cool slightly during the two weeks.

I hope it doesn't though, in all honesty

 

[Titus Bramble]

Considering the excitement at the start of the summer window, the mood of the players and fans seems as low as it had been towards the end of the last managers reign

It's up to Koeman to change this around, but I don't think he will.

He'll be gone before December imo

 

[kenada_blue]

Oh no, I am not absolving him of blame with that mate... I completely blame him for the set up and plan of the players, for instance I watched him speak to Rooney 5 times about not dropping back and being further up the pitch. Even when the likes of Davies is on the pitch, he can only get so far with no-one ahead of him.

The whole thing has been a bit of a shambles, from the recruitment to the set up of the team and players.

Yeah, totally agree.

The lack of belief of the rest of the players, and how scared they are to pick the ball up or break lines. That's the only reason Rooney drops for the ball. No one else picks or fills in for him.

Niasse on the weekend actually looked like a player based on the pure fact hes direct

 

[Thomasc]

think the main focus is the first season.
seems you're the one being selective Thomas.

Eh? he took over a really steady top 6 side, added 3 players who improved it in the first season and breathed new life into it (Barry, McCArthy and Lukaku) and reaped the rewards.

I don't really know what point you are making, I have acknowledged Martinez had 1 good season, but the was followed by 2 poor seasons and by the time he left we were in full on melt down.

Are you still trying to defend Martinez? seriously?