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lol lol lol
Ah, my bad. Thought you meant something else, apologies!
That's where I'll never agree. If no approach is likely to work them at least go down fighting. Not talking about all attack but give the oppposition something to think about. Nothing pragmatic about failing to have a shot on target until 70 minutes after you fell behind.
dannyboy
Player Valuation: £60m
It was crap today but there'll be other games where we do have a bit of threat on the break with this approach. There's always going to be a few games every season where the opposition are just better and you couldn't compete, today was one of them- hopefully there won't be many more.
R934
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So for the best part of 21 odd years we've not had the players to implement tactics?
I'm not calling for us to go to Chelsea etc and dominate possession -as you've alluded to within this thread.
I'm merely suggesting we stop playing reactive football when we play the 'bigger teams' - for a very simple example today going to a flat-back-4 and bringing Lennon on with 10 minutes left was our most productive period in the match. You could put that down to Chelsea taking there foot off the gas, but maybe instead of looking for the pessimistic viewpoint why can't it be down to us taking the game to them? Dominic Calvert-Lewin's performance also typifies this point - we stopped looking to contain and instead tried to stretch Chelsea. Why not do that from the off?
Re. Martinez like I said there was gapping flaws, but actually setting up to compete we were a lot closer to taking something from them. But if as you keep saying it's only down to money then there is little point me adding anything further to this conversation. To reaffirm the opening point we've been making excuses for the best part of 21 odd years...
TrixyStevens
Player Valuation: £35m
Don't think he knows what he's at at th moment playing three at the back with players who don't suit the system and wing backs who don't bomb forward. Watching them is like pulling teeth.
Gerbs
Player Valuation: £15m
The problem is we didn't have a go at it in Croatia, we didn't have a go at it against a 10 man City team. We have the 2nd least shots in the prem. We have only 6 shots on target the entire season. That's against stoke and a team playing with ten men for over 45 minutes
dannyboy
Player Valuation: £60m
You know what, mate, I'd love us to take the game to these teams. I just don't think it'd work, I think it'd end up being humiliating for the most part. That's probably extremely negative from me but that's what being an Evertonian for the last 20 odd years does to ya...
I look throughout our squad and I also think the mentality is lacking from a lot of these players to believe they could dominate likes of Chelsea away from home. That's something I do actually give Martinez credit for because he recognised the weakness in belief. Shame he couldn't do anything about it.
MikeH72
Player Valuation: £100m
We won at Old Trafford under Martinez.
I'm just sayin'
So did Newcastle under Pardew, West Brom and Swansea.
stretford blue
Player Valuation: £35m
We are desperate for a forward .but whoever it is would not have made an ounce of difference the way we set up today .the forward is to isolated there is zero width the full backs are not wing backs and he doesn't play wingers .
DownunderToffee
Player Valuation: £15m
If we can beat Tottenham after the break and get a win/draw against United away, it'll set us up nicely for our next five:
Bournemouth (H), Burnley (H), Brighton (A), Arsenal (H), Leicester (A).
That would be 10 games played, you'd hope we're at a minimum of 6 wins by that point.
Let's judge Koeman by the end of that run.
Bournemouth (H), Burnley (H), Brighton (A), Arsenal (H), Leicester (A).
That would be 10 games played, you'd hope we're at a minimum of 6 wins by that point.
Let's judge Koeman by the end of that run.
Osamabindiesel
Player Valuation: £70m
Koeman is going to have to make some tough decisions. There isn't a place for all of his favored players in every game. Bring some balance and rotate the players as necessary. Stop freezing players out.
R934
Player Valuation: £1m
For what it's worth i'm only 24 and have seen very little success.
Oddly the period under Moyes to me, were never as bad as they seem now -admittedly I may have became accustomed to Moyes given he was the manager throughout the time I started going the game. But then looking back you see quotes that crop up like 'knife to a gun fight' and realise how negative and beneath ourselves we became. I personally believe the final 2 years under Moyes we played some good football, with the only missing piece a top centre forward -others beg to differ an point to us stagnating which is understandable.
I also thought the period under Martinez -who I wanted as manager when he was at Swansea- has been massively exaggerated as to how bad it became - saying that there is little to know denying his time was up. If you're the slightest bit interested this is my opinion on Martinez - typed when coming back from Wembley:
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-fan-qa-roberto-martinez-11272823
You could say I'm being misty eyed and taking Martinez's performance against the 'top 6' out of content given he has been the only manager since supporting Everton I've seen 'take the game' to them. That being said under Martinez i've left the game early for the first time -away to Liverpool- but also left a game thinking 'wow' (Arsenal away first season) there was just no middle ground, it was either a top performance or a complete shambles. To be fair the players threw both him and the fans under the bus during his 2nd/3rd season.
I agree Martinez tried to instil believe in the team, and I genuinely thing it was bearing some fruition, but we seemingly took one step forwards, two steps back, or in Martinez's case an extra sideways pass before being caught in possession and conceding. Saying that -not that its something to celebrate- but i'm sure in his final season we ha the best away record, be that for x amount of years, or in one of the best in the league, it was oddly the home form that cost us, which to Koeman's credit is something he's fixed by stripping us right back to basics. in my opinion we resemble a Moyes team in a round about way, it's just building from that somehow will be interesting to see.
Going off Martinez's first season a hybrid between a strong defensive 4 and fluid pace/energy on the counter suited us, then again it's easier type knowing what happened that season. It just seems we've regressed a little under Koeman on the offensive side of our game and restored the defensive set-up - I may be wrong
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Happy to give him time to bed the team together of course, but his tactics this season have been awful. Some glaring problems with the system at both ends of the pitch and it doesn't look like he's learning from these poor performances.
My bigger worry is that I can't really remember a Koeman performance where we played with any degree of style. He's obviously a pragmatic kind of guy, and that's fine, but even Moyes had the team being able to control possession.
My bigger worry is that I can't really remember a Koeman performance where we played with any degree of style. He's obviously a pragmatic kind of guy, and that's fine, but even Moyes had the team being able to control possession.
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