Ronald Koeman discussion

roydo · February 25, 2017

davek said:
It's more than that though. We have few players capable of weighing in with 7/8/9 goals per season to back up the efforts of any new striker who may have to come in.

That is not healthy.

Pretty sure Koeman knows that.

nsno-chris · February 25, 2017

when did Lukaku leave??

davek · February 25, 2017

Groucho said:
No mate we must absolutely not emulate it. It got us nowhere, relatively.

We must smash it.

That total will get a team a CL spot this season. As it usually always does.

As said, we must emulate it. Fall short of it into the mid 60s and you're not at the races with the big guns.

DrEFC · February 25, 2017

davek said:
It's a benchmark. A tally that we must emulate again if we are to get top four. And to get that level of points you have to be very bold...which I suspect isn't in this managers character.

I agree with the bit I highlighted. Ranieri isn't bold, Wenger isn't bold anymore. Peligrini isn't bold. A tactical mastermind, & outstanding player recruitment is great but getting a team to be a unit is vital to consistency required for a top 4 finish- hell an organised, well drilled, PED-fueled Leicester won the big one last year. Once team spirit was gone, they've become a sack of spuds.
I think Koeman is certainly ambitious, but whether he's good enough with attacking coaching to make us an elite team- I don't know. Guess if we get the top bracket players we will find out!

davek · February 25, 2017

roydo said:
Pretty sure Koeman knows that.

I'm not. He's been telling Lukaku his future lies away from Everton, so I don't accept this manager is fully on board with that. Maybe after seeing how much he's relied on him he'll be down on his hands and knees begging him to stay rather than pointing him to the door?

Jreverton1 · February 25, 2017

davek said:
I think that underestimates his status massively, tbh. The clubs around Europe who can afford him will be well and truly interested.

We face an uphill task to keep him. No question about it IMO.

I'm not saying he isn't good enough, I actually think we won't see a striker as good as him at Everton for a long time, I just don't think other teams are willing to pay the price that we want.

hktoffee · February 25, 2017

davek said:
That total will get a team a CL spot this season. As it usually always does.

As said, we must emulate it. Fall short of it into the mid 60s and you're not at the races with the big guns.

Can you explain why taking a team from 13th to 7th is not better than taking a 6th place team and improved it by 1 PL place and 9 points but then the bubble completely burst in the next 2 seasons?

Prevenger17 · February 25, 2017

I think Koeman is doing a very good job.

roydo · February 25, 2017

davek said:
I'm not. He's been telling Lukaku his future lies away from Everton, so I don't accept this manager is fully on board with that. Maybe after seeing how much he's relied on him he'll be down on his hands and knees begging him to stay rather than pointing him to the door?

Nah. You are taking that quote way out of context.

Premier League manager selling his best/most vital player? Seriously?

Groucho · February 25, 2017

davek said:
That total will get a team a CL spot this season. As it usually always does.

As said, we must emulate it. Fall short of it into the mid 60s and you're not at the races with the big guns.

But 72 was not at the races when it mattered.

72 in 13/14 was falling short.

rochdaleblue · February 25, 2017

roydo said:
Nah. You are taking that quote way out of context.

Premier League manager selling his best/most vital player? Seriously?

That what's Koeman's remarks were hinting at, that lukaku should be playing for a top team. Not what you want to hear from your manager.

davek · February 25, 2017

DrEFC said:
I agree with the bit I highlighted. Ranieri isn't bold, Wenger isn't bold anymore. Peligrini isn't bold. A tactical mastermind, & outstanding player recruitment is great but getting a team to be a unit is vital to consistency required for a top 4 finish- hell an organised, well drilled, PED-fueled Leicester won the big one last year. Once team spirit was gone, they've become a sack of spuds.
I think Koeman is certainly ambitious, but whether he's good enough with attacking coaching to make us an elite team- I don't know. Guess if we get the top bracket players we will find out!

He's done well so far in defence and also attack (after an appalling start up there). The problem is that you can't just be doing things "well" you have to be excellent at both ends of the pitch and I don't see this manager in the evidence so far in display being able to construct an attacking unit that gets the goals....we have relied on Lukaku - a player he probably wouldn't have bought himself, btw - to make us respectable up top. If Lukaku goes next season, forget it. It's not happening.

ilikecheese · February 25, 2017

Not doing half bad is Ron.

Exceeding my expectations at this point.

davek · February 25, 2017

Jreverton1 said:
I'm not saying he isn't good enough, I actually think we won't see a striker as good as him at Everton for a long time, I just don't think other teams are willing to pay the price that we want.

Those big money clubs will see a player with poor service in a tough league for forwards getting 60 odd goals in four seasons and they'll want that at their clubs.

He's proven himself to be consistently good and ready for the step up to the CL. There WILL be suitors, mark my words.

paulf · February 25, 2017

World class footballer.. loved him as a player. And breathe of fresh air he's our manager from previous bull ... Keepin it going Ronald ..gonna get even better