Ronald Koeman discussion

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davek said:
The only points total worth bothering about is the one after 38 games. That needs to be up over 70 for where we want to go.
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Dave, your very very fond of quoting the 72 point season at anyone who will listen, so for comparrasions sake lets take a look at exactlyhow we compare to that 'amazing - never to be repeated season' - at the 26 game mark of each of those seasons

13/14 season, played 26, scored 37, conceded 27, +10 Goal Difference, 45 points
16/17 season, played 26, scored 42, conceded 27, +15 goal difference, 44 points


So basically at this point in both managers first seasons, we are 1 point worse off, 5 goal difference better off, have scored 5 more (given you have criticised us as an attacking team in comparrision with Martinez ones), and have the same defensive record.

Here are the relative positions that both Managers inherrited in terms of prior seasons league finishes btw - so you can see quite clearly the state of the team inherited.

12/13 season - the one Martinez inherited - 6th placed, 63 points, scored 55, conceded 40. +15 goal difference
15/16 season - the one Koeman inherited - 11th placed, 47 points, scored 59, comnceded 55, +4 goal difference.

So in comparassion, Koeman took over a team that had finished 5 places worse, had 16 points less, had scored 4 goals more and had conceded`15 more.

and yet your trying to hold him to the standard of 'unless he matches martinez then hes a failiure', utterly laughable, especially given the FACT (said in Rafael voice) that he currently IS matching those standards, given a hugely disadvantaged starting position in comparrasion
 

Jreverton1 said:
Not sure how many CL clubs there are that want him, maybe PSG, Bayern? No one bothered to come in for him last season, don't think many are actually that bothered by him. Ironically, the fact he plays for us makes him less appealing to the big clubs.
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I think that underestimates his status massively, tbh. The clubs around Europe who can afford him will be well and truly interested.

We face an uphill task to keep him. No question about it IMO.
 
roydo said:
Think that last bit is way too harsh mate. He is the main/only striker for sure, and the team is set up to max that out. But that could be said of many sides.

Summer will tell. Like I said, think he will sign that contract.
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Take 60 goals out of this teams last four seasons and we'd be toast. Where does this team get goals from besides him?

He is THAT crucial. Of course we can replace him, but not with an equal in terms of quality, and the price would be horrendous.
 
bluestevon said:
Dave, your very very fond of quoting the 72 point season at anyone who will listen, so for comparrasions sake lets take a look at exactlyhow we compare to that 'amazing - never to be repeated season' - at the 26 game mark of each of those seasons

13/14 season, played 26, scored 37, conceded 27, +10 Goal Difference, 45 points
16/17 season, played 26, scored 42, conceded 27, +15 goal difference, 44 points


So basically at this point in both managers first seasons, we are 1 point worse off, 5 goal difference better off, have scored 5 more (given you have criticised us as an attacking team in comparrision with Martinez ones), and have the same defensive record.

Here are the relative positions that both Managers inherrited in terms of prior seasons league finishes btw - so you can see quite clearly the state of the team inherited.

12/13 season - the one Martinez inherited - 6th placed, 63 points, scored 55, conceded 40. +15 goal difference
15/16 season - the one Koeman inherited - 11th placed, 47 points, scored 59, comnceded 55, +4 goal difference.

So in comparassion, Koeman took over a team that had finished 5 places worse, had 16 points less, had scored 4 goals more and had conceded`15 more.

and yet your trying to hold him to the standard of 'unless he matches martinez then hes a failiure', utterly laughable, especially given the FACT (said in Rafael voice) that he currently IS matching those standards, given a hugely disadvantaged starting position in comparrasion
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Great, so we'll get over 70 points this season. Good to know.

-*bookmarked*
 

davek said:
Take 60 goals out of this teams last four seasons and we'd be toast. Where does this team get goals from besides him?

He is THAT crucial. Of course we can replace him, but not with an equal in terms of quality, and the price would be horrendous.
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Of course. And I agree, he is crucial. As every clubs main striker is to them. Hardly unique to Everton. Other than at time of writing, an obvious replacement from the current squad is hard to see.
 
bluestevon said:
Dave, your very very fond of quoting the 72 point season at anyone who will listen, so for comparrasions sake lets take a look at exactlyhow we compare to that 'amazing - never to be repeated season' - at the 26 game mark of each of those seasons

13/14 season, played 26, scored 37, conceded 27, +10 Goal Difference, 45 points
16/17 season, played 26, scored 42, conceded 27, +15 goal difference, 44 points


So basically at this point in both managers first seasons, we are 1 point worse off, 5 goal difference better off, have scored 5 more (given you have criticised us as an attacking team in comparrision with Martinez ones), and have the same defensive record.

Here are the relative positions that both Managers inherrited in terms of prior seasons league finishes btw - so you can see quite clearly the state of the team inherited.

12/13 season - the one Martinez inherited - 6th placed, 63 points, scored 55, conceded 40. +15 goal difference
15/16 season - the one Koeman inherited - 11th placed, 47 points, scored 59, comnceded 55, +4 goal difference.

So in comparassion, Koeman took over a team that had finished 5 places worse, had 16 points less, had scored 4 goals more and had conceded`15 more.

and yet your trying to hold him to the standard of 'unless he matches martinez then hes a failiure', utterly laughable, especially given the FACT (said in Rafael voice) that he currently IS matching those standards, given a hugely disadvantaged starting position in comparrasion
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Wasted effort mate.
 
roydo said:
Of course. And I agree, he is crucial. As every clubs main striker is to them. Hardly unique to Everton. Other than at time of writing, an obvious replacement from the current squad is hard to see.
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He's scored one quarter of all our PL goals in the last 4 seasons. We are being carried by him. No one comes close.
 
Groucho said:
Mate, what did the magical 72 points achieve?

EL?

With respect, I'd understand if it'd got us CL but it didn't.
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It's a benchmark. A tally that we must emulate again if we are to get top four. And to get that level of points you have to be very bold...which I suspect isn't in this managers character.
 

davek said:
He's scored one quarter of all our PL goals in the last 4 seasons. We are being carried by him. No one comes close.
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Sure, thats what strikers do. And I agreed with you. He is crucial, and the current squad is not pumped full of realistic replacements.
 
*checks thread title, sees nothing about Martinez or Lukaku

*scratches head and goes to make tea ( Woolly's special Meatballs in tomato sauce if anyone's interested )

Anyway, Spurs away next, big test to see just how much we've improved under Koeman in the last few months.
 
roydo said:
Sure, thats what strikers do. And I agreed with you. He is crucial, and the current squad is not pumped full of realistic replacements.
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It's more than that though. We have few players capable of weighing in with 7/8/9 goals per season to back up the efforts of any new striker who may have to come in.

That is not healthy.
 

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