Ronald Koeman discussion

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Tony Hibbert's 3rd leg said:
The Everton managers job could easily become one that off puts the best managers, if we don't give the chance to whoever is in charge before making a decision. If they aren't given the resources to compete with the 6 stand out teams in the league, managers won't want to come to us to improve their CV.
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That's a tall order.

We cant afford a chequebook manager. We require someone who can be given financial backing to compete with the elite for one or two key players but who also unearth's cheaper gems and brings through academy players.

Any manager who doesn't understand that need not apply.
 

Not great was it. He's doing a lot of complaining but he has to take some responsibility. Typical Everton, we have great news and the team on the pitch kills it days later lol. Oh well, let's see what january brings, I'm expecting big signings ready for next season really peed off that we are out of the FA Cup already.
 
From a guy who i think is ITK

However, my view isn't in agreement with Ronald - I don't agree we need to replace the majority of the team nor do I believe it is possible, either. FFP restrictions see to that, restrictions that RK has been made well aware of, so it puzzles me why he has been so vocal in his distrust of the squad he has inherited. A squad, whether he likes it or not, is full of proven international - most over 25 caps for their country.
Of course, it's an ageing squad, and some of those need replacing in time, but altogether? Of course, this view of yours is clouded further by Rk's decision to give Barry & Baines contract extensions.. What is it RK is actually saying to us last night? He wants to complete an overhaul of the team but not Barry & Baines?

He has told 8 players they can go - I don't disagree with the 8, we simply need better, but they're on decent contracts and unlikely to shift 50% of them this window; also, he doesn't believe the youngsters ready to take the place of the 8 he has informed are not good enough. Of the 8, only Kone is over 30. That suggests to me,along with the extensions, it's not the ageing squad uppermost in his mind to replace.

He hates the lack of fight in our wingers plus the lack of creativity from them. So why do we continue to play a system where he has to play them?? He has publicly told Niasse to play football elsewhere . Ovideo Lennon Cleverley & Gibson have had conversations where they can leave this window - all will be late outgoings on loan at best. McCarthy and Geri want out because they feel they're bit part players and want to try their luck elsewhere. Mirallas, Joel, Ross & Jags are aware he'd accept any sort of bid for them - Mori wants away and we're happy to accommodate. This group of players last season reached two semi - finals and despite being in really poor form in the league took 4 points from RK's over-performing Southampton side. Are they really as bad as he alludes -

So, as you said, I didn't want him in the summer and blamed pre-conceived ideas for my worries about RK. I was hoping to be proven wrong. Two cup ties, both at home against Norwich and Leicester didn't fill us with fear when they were drawn - yet we find ourselves dumped out when each game was their for the taking; 5-0 drubbing against Chelsea - they haven't done that since to anyone. Jags and James - both great lads, great pro's and proven internationals. The were both unhappy in August - that bothered me - if you can't get those two on board as a manager?! And when you find out there are 7 clubs in the prem inquiring to take them?

It's a long job and a difficult one but his actions remind me of Souness with the bin bags and imho it didn't need to be so drastic. Fitness questioned against Spurs and 10 days later he informed we now fit. The kids not ready and then he played three more than once in a week but most of all you countered by saying we were now more difficult to beat, well with fitness assured we have been beaten 3 times at home, once in a derby and first time in the cups.
 
mutley said:
From a guy who i think is ITK

However, my view isn't in agreement with Ronald - I don't agree we need to replace the majority of the team nor do I believe it is possible, either. FFP restrictions see to that, restrictions that RK has been made well aware of, so it puzzles me why he has been so vocal in his distrust of the squad he has inherited. A squad, whether he likes it or not, is full of proven international - most over 25 caps for their country.
Of course, it's an ageing squad, and some of those need replacing in time, but altogether? Of course, this view of yours is clouded further by Rk's decision to give Barry & Baines contract extensions.. What is it RK is actually saying to us last night? He wants to complete an overhaul of the team but not Barry & Baines?

He has told 8 players they can go - I don't disagree with the 8, we simply need better, but they're on decent contracts and unlikely to shift 50% of them this window; also, he doesn't believe the youngsters ready to take the place of the 8 he has informed are not good enough. Of the 8, only Kone is over 30. That suggests to me,along with the extensions, it's not the ageing squad uppermost in his mind to replace.

He hates the lack of fight in our wingers plus the lack of creativity from them. So why do we continue to play a system where he has to play them?? He has publicly told Niasse to play football elsewhere . Ovideo Lennon Cleverley & Gibson have had conversations where they can leave this window - all will be late outgoings on loan at best. McCarthy and Geri want out because they feel they're bit part players and want to try their luck elsewhere. Mirallas, Joel, Ross & Jags are aware he'd accept any sort of bid for them - Mori wants away and we're happy to accommodate. This group of players last season reached two semi - finals and despite being in really poor form in the league took 4 points from RK's over-performing Southampton side. Are they really as bad as he alludes -

So, as you said, I didn't want him in the summer and blamed pre-conceived ideas for my worries about RK. I was hoping to be proven wrong. Two cup ties, both at home against Norwich and Leicester didn't fill us with fear when they were drawn - yet we find ourselves dumped out when each game was their for the taking; 5-0 drubbing against Chelsea - they haven't done that since to anyone. Jags and James - both great lads, great pro's and proven internationals. The were both unhappy in August - that bothered me - if you can't get those two on board as a manager?! And when you find out there are 7 clubs in the prem inquiring to take them?

It's a long job and a difficult one but his actions remind me of Souness with the bin bags and imho it didn't need to be so drastic. Fitness questioned against Spurs and 10 days later he informed we now fit. The kids not ready and then he played three more than once in a week but most of all you countered by saying we were now more difficult to beat, well with fitness assured we have been beaten 3 times at home, once in a derby and first time in the cups.
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And again somebody is overrating that cup run. And to prove his point by saying we got 4 points against southampton is really funny. Did he forget all the other games last year?? We almost didnt won a league game after Christmas last year.....
 

mutley said:
From a guy who i think is ITK

However, my view isn't in agreement with Ronald - I don't agree we need to replace the majority of the team nor do I believe it is possible, either. FFP restrictions see to that, restrictions that RK has been made well aware of, so it puzzles me why he has been so vocal in his distrust of the squad he has inherited. A squad, whether he likes it or not, is full of proven international - most over 25 caps for their country.
Of course, it's an ageing squad, and some of those need replacing in time, but altogether? Of course, this view of yours is clouded further by Rk's decision to give Barry & Baines contract extensions.. What is it RK is actually saying to us last night? He wants to complete an overhaul of the team but not Barry & Baines?

He has told 8 players they can go - I don't disagree with the 8, we simply need better, but they're on decent contracts and unlikely to shift 50% of them this window; also, he doesn't believe the youngsters ready to take the place of the 8 he has informed are not good enough. Of the 8, only Kone is over 30. That suggests to me,along with the extensions, it's not the ageing squad uppermost in his mind to replace.

He hates the lack of fight in our wingers plus the lack of creativity from them. So why do we continue to play a system where he has to play them?? He has publicly told Niasse to play football elsewhere . Ovideo Lennon Cleverley & Gibson have had conversations where they can leave this window - all will be late outgoings on loan at best. McCarthy and Geri want out because they feel they're bit part players and want to try their luck elsewhere. Mirallas, Joel, Ross & Jags are aware he'd accept any sort of bid for them - Mori wants away and we're happy to accommodate. This group of players last season reached two semi - finals and despite being in really poor form in the league took 4 points from RK's over-performing Southampton side. Are they really as bad as he alludes -

So, as you said, I didn't want him in the summer and blamed pre-conceived ideas for my worries about RK. I was hoping to be proven wrong. Two cup ties, both at home against Norwich and Leicester didn't fill us with fear when they were drawn - yet we find ourselves dumped out when each game was their for the taking; 5-0 drubbing against Chelsea - they haven't done that since to anyone. Jags and James - both great lads, great pro's and proven internationals. The were both unhappy in August - that bothered me - if you can't get those two on board as a manager?! And when you find out there are 7 clubs in the prem inquiring to take them?

It's a long job and a difficult one but his actions remind me of Souness with the bin bags and imho it didn't need to be so drastic. Fitness questioned against Spurs and 10 days later he informed we now fit. The kids not ready and then he played three more than once in a week but most of all you countered by saying we were now more difficult to beat, well with fitness assured we have been beaten 3 times at home, once in a derby and first time in the cups.
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Said this earlier

He's alienating players he going to have to keep, Like it or not

Does he think he's going to buy and sell 14 players in this window and the next

He's spat his dummy out and made himself and the club look stupid, Can't see the players or the board taking it lying down either
 
Agree that we're faffing about with transfers as usual and that has got to stop - don't agree with announcing publicly that most of the team are brock.

I am a fan of Koeman, but he's not exactly winning the dressing room is he.
 
Blue Cheese said:
Not great was it. He's doing a lot of complaining but he has to take some responsibility. Typical Everton, we have great news and the team on the pitch kills it days later lol. Oh well, let's see what january brings, I'm expecting big signings ready for next season really peed off that we are out of the FA Cup already.
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Which all goes to prove the old cliche about football being a "results business".

You can have all the good news in the world off the pitch......but it doesn't mean a thing when the results are bad on it :(
 

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