Ronald Koeman discussion

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MoutsGoat said:
1 Manchester City £216m £205m £193.8m £225m
2 Manchester United £187m £215.8m £203m £220.8m
3 Chelsea £190m £192.7m £215.6m £218m
4 Arsenal £166.4m £180.4m £192m £200.5m
5 Liverpool £140m £144m £152m £165.6m
6 Tottenham £112m £100.4m £110.5m £121.2m
7 Everton £66m £69.3m £74.7m £83m

Thats the gap we need to close.
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Agreed. And the best way to do that is to massively increase revenues. With Chang expiring in 6 months and the disgraceful Kitbag deal expiring in (I think) 18 months, not to mention the potential stadium development, we will find out how (and if) Mr Moshiri will transform us.
 
The idea that koeman doesn't know his best eleven is bizarre to me. We aren't a team that can play through every opposition and he's a pragmatic coach who has always utilized different formations. Even keeping those things in mind his adjustments have been for injuries, suspensions or players woefully out of form like Ross and Jags.
 
Khalekan said:
I love the way "transition season" has become the on fleek phrase on this thread.

It reminds me of the early days of pop music when bands tried getting serious and were making "concept albums" to describe their transition from regular rock to some perceived higher art form of the genre :pint2:

Sergeant Pepper, Pet Sounds, Tommy, Ogden's Nutgone Flake, Beggar's Banquet etc. :)
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Khalekan said:
I love the way "transition season" has become the on fleek phrase on this thread.

It reminds me of the early days of pop music when bands tried getting serious and were making "concept albums" to describe their transition from regular rock to some perceived higher art form of the genre :pint2:

Sergeant Pepper, Pet Sounds, Tommy, Ogden's Nutgone Flake, Beggar's Banquet etc. :)
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All brilliant albums as well....if our "transition" period is a quarter as good then we won't be doing too badly....providing"irreconcilable musical differences" don't raise their head..;):cool:
 

mellowblue said:
All brilliant albums as well....if our "transition" period is a quarter as good then we won't be doing too badly....providing"irreconcilable musical differences" don't raise their head..;):cool:
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But the sad thing is the bands concerned never did transit to greater things.

The first four was as good as it got for The Beatles, The Who, The Beach Boys and the Small Faces.

Only the Stones got any better after their concept album :pint2:
 
MoutsGoat said:
1 Manchester City £216m £205m £193.8m £225m
2 Manchester United £187m £215.8m £203m £220.8m
3 Chelsea £190m £192.7m £215.6m £218m
4 Arsenal £166.4m £180.4m £192m £200.5m
5 Liverpool £140m £144m £152m £165.6m
6 Tottenham £112m £100.4m £110.5m £121.2m
7 Everton £66m £69.3m £74.7m £83m

Thats the gap we need to close.
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There's a good video about what we are doing to try and close the same gap. It's tough but for us it largely comes down to getting through this transitional period and into the new stadium. Match-day income really can make a large difference, as well as the sponsorship deals that come with it all. Much of this video is relevant for Everton as well I would imagine as you will need to find a way to do something similar.

 
MoutsGoat said:
Its comical, you have people claiming they wanna be like Klopp.

Totally ignoring that hes had 18months to shape the club how he wants, the tactics, the players and thats with a club that has spent a vast sum of money on players the last 5 years.

"Omelettes, eggs. No eggs, no omelettes. And it depends on the quality of the eggs in the supermarket. They are class one, two or three and some are more expensive than others and some give you better omelettes. When the class one eggs are not available you have a problem."

We are a team that has finished 11th for 2 seasons, not a single pot in 21 long god years, yet people think just cos Ronny is paid 6m a season he can just walk in and click his fingers.

No, he needs time, he needs players, talented players that want to achieve, players that fit into the system he wants to play.

Hes been in the job for 6months and had 1 utterly failure of a window, give him another 2 windows, then lets see if we have made progress 12months from now, judge him after a fair crack of the whip rather than after 5minutes.
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Agreed. The man-baby needs time, and even those of us who aren't convinced by him (like me) need to accept that it would take a rare coach to turn a team completely around in a few months. Guns need to be reholstered until at least a years' time imo, the chap needs our support.
 

You know, one positive thing about Koeman is that he's not afraid to switch it up at a moment's notice. Twice in recent memory he's fielded notably bizarre combinations (Arsenal, Leicester) and twice he's achieved results. At this relative infancy of his tenure, it's a brave and logical thing to do. Just wish he'd apply the same logic to Lukaku as he does with other players and bench/move him when he's clearly underperforming
 
Prevenger17 said:
That's a good point tbf. I think if you took a straw poll of what people expected at the start of the season, it would be 7th on the nose. The inconsistency of performance is probably the source of peoples' frustration
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To me the inconsistencies have a lot to do with opposition, fitness and players not being complete enough for the system. Koeman generally makes strong in game adjustments as shown by our generally better second half performances. Our fitnessed has improved but many of our weren't brought in for a system that was not nearly as active. Many of our wingers/forwards simply were not picked up for their energy or ability to press which really limits both our chance creation and our defensive solidity
 

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