Ronald Koeman discussion

[ianefc]

You see, what you see there Ian is a man whom judges things as he sees them and does not have his views set in concrete.

Note the date of that post.....it was at the end of Black December when things were looking ever so glum round these parts.

Now, Dave's stats in his post deal specifically with the first 13 games of last season.....which was a heck of an improvement on the previous December and the football on offer from EFC was a heck of a lot better twelve months ago than what we have witnessed in the first 13 games of this season, innit

And I posted accordingly this time last year

I know you spend a lot of time looking through my posts so I am not telling you sommat you don't know.....you are just being a wee divil and selectively quoting a post in order to boost a rather spurious argument

Try and be more like me.

Judge things as you see them......not as you wish them to be.

Though I do notice you are indeed becoming a bit concerned about the direction Koeman is taking us as you have started becoming quite critical of him.

And that is not a sign of fickleness, Ian......that does you great credit.

You are maturing as a poster and I like that.



*big manly hug*

I'm so glad I carried on reading that post, because initially when you mentioned...

''is a man whom judges things as he sees them and does not have his views set in concrete"

I thought you were talking about Dave. But then realised you were referencing yourself, an assessment I agree with BTW.

SIDE NOTE: I don't just read your posts, I read a lot. A little bit of research is important for the sake of consistency.

 

[Khalekan]

I'm so glad I carried on reading that post, because initially when you mentioned...

''is a man whom judges things as he sees them and does not have his views set in concrete"

I thought you were talking about Dave. But then realised you were referencing yourself, an assessment I agree with BTW.

SIDE NOTE: I don't just read your posts, I read a lot. A little bit of research is important for the sake of consistency.

Good man, Ian

 

[blueboy1945]

I read an ex player, cant remember who, said it was more a case of he had to leave, gambling issues he said.

Yes, I remember it being said at the time he needed the signing on fee to pay off gambling debts. Don't know if it's true though.

 

[Toffeelover]

I just can't believe this is our manager, sickening really...

Wrong, it has been a fortnight now.

 

[ianefc]

 

[bluestevon]

Gambling has taken a lot of good players down. Think it was Andy King, who suffered from it, put it rather well when he said that with the ale, you go in a pub with £100, get bladdered, still have £50. Go in a bookies with £10k, you lose the lot.

Kanchelskis was supposed to have issues as well, combined with very dodgy people he needed to pay off every so often - hence a fair few bouncing round clubs when he looked settled there

 

[davek]

Poor results coupled with the doom and gloom from certain sections of the forum Ray.

I cant help with the results, but the doom and gloom can be lifted with 3 or 4 thread bans.

State of you: 'Ray this" and 'Ray that".

 

[Goat]

State of you: 'Ray this" and 'Ray that".

RayRay was feeling down, I gave him a little pick me up.

Dont make me make a phone call.

 

[davek]

RayRay was feeling down, I gave him a little pick me up.

Dont make me make a phone call.

Ha Ha ha.

 

[davek]

Roger Mottram?

 

[ianefc]

Roger Mottram?

Just a fellow fans opinion. A fan like you and me.

 

[davek]

Just a fellow fans opinion. A fan like you and me.

Oh. I wasn't being snotty. I thought it was someone within the industry and you were appealing to his authority.

 

[Tin-Tin]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/02/everton-improvement-ronald-koeman-manchester-united

“We need at least this winter and we need next summer to make changes in this club"

But, despite a dramatic downturn since the start of the season, Koeman believes he will learn more about the squad during this period than had their encouraging early results continued. “I still have the belief we will be successful at Everton,” he said. “Maybe we need a little more time, maybe we need to make more changes in the team, maybe we need it for next season. We know it is a new project and everybody knows that takes time. We had a good start, it is a difficult time now but that is football.”

He added: “It is always difficult when there is a lack of confidence and a lack of belief but it can be good for me to see the reaction of the team in a difficult time. It is better to see that. Of course you like to have a win every weekend because everyone is happy but sometimes, to get your eyes really open, maybe this time is the best to understand what we need to change.”

Sounds like he now knows they are a bunch of work shy losers.

 

[BlueToff]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/02/everton-improvement-ronald-koeman-manchester-united

“We need at least this winter and we need next summer to make changes in this club"

But, despite a dramatic downturn since the start of the season, Koeman believes he will learn more about the squad during this period than had their encouraging early results continued. “I still have the belief we will be successful at Everton,” he said. “Maybe we need a little more time, maybe we need to make more changes in the team, maybe we need it for next season. We know it is a new project and everybody knows that takes time. We had a good start, it is a difficult time now but that is football.”

He added: “It is always difficult when there is a lack of confidence and a lack of belief but it can be good for me to see the reaction of the team in a difficult time. It is better to see that. Of course you like to have a win every weekend because everyone is happy but sometimes, to get your eyes really open, maybe this time is the best to understand what we need to change.”

Sounds like he now knows they are a bunch of work shy losers.

what he says about the kids is the best

 

[BlueToff]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/02/everton-improvement-ronald-koeman-manchester-united

“I still have the belief we will be successful at Everton,” he said. “Maybe we need a little more time, maybe we need to make more changes in the team, maybe we need it for next season. We know it is a new project and everybody knows that takes time. We had a good start, it is a difficult time now but that is football.”

He added: “It is always difficult when there is a lack of confidence and a lack of belief but it can be good for me to see the reaction of the team in a difficult time. It is better to see that. Of course you like to have a win every weekend because everyone is happy but sometimes, to get your eyes really open, maybe this time is the best to understand what we need to change.”

“We analyse our young players. It is about Tom Davies, it is about Kieran Dowell, Dominic Calvert-Lewin the striker, Jonjoe Kenny the right full-back.

“The under-23 competition cannot be compared to the Premier League. They train a lot of times with the first team and if there is a moment that they show they are on the level of other players in their position then I will give them the chance.

“It is also a physicality question about young players. Every day we have the contact with David Unsworth [the under-23s coach] and they need time. It is easy to say: ‘He played fantastic, he needs to play in the first team.’ No, they don’t understand the level of the Premier League and they need time. We are not playing in Holland – if so, then yes, they are ready. But ready for the Premier League? If I bring a young player in it is not for one game and then I will show the confidence in that young player. Still they are not ready.”


Just so people have all the quotes here and don't just pick out the bits that suit a narrative (on either side of the argument)