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TraffordBlue
Player Valuation: £30m
I agree. Difference is, I don't see Everton having the kajunes to sack Koeman for bad results (should they occur) as Liverpool did with Hodgson.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...on-koeman-prentice-hodgson-liverpool-12193641
Prentice: Sorry Ronald, sometimes honesty just isn't the best policy - ask Roy Hodgson
Echo Sports Editor Dave Prentice's take on the latest Everton talking point
BY DAVID PRENTICE
I’ve been writing about Everton managers on Merseyside for 29 years - ten of them as the Echo’s Everton correspondent – and during that spell I enjoyed daily deliberations with five Everton managers.
Only one was 100 percent truthful about everything I ever asked him.
Some even deliberately misled.
But once you’d calmed down, you usually understood why those managers had been economical with the truth.
But understanding doesn’t equal acceptance.
And I’m struggling to understand how, exactly, Everton will benefit from Ronald Koeman’s recent spate of candour.
Sometimes honesty isn’t always the best policy.
But twice in the space of seven days Koeman has delivered candid ripostes to enquiries about Romelu Lukaku’s future and rivals Liverpool’s chances of winning the league.
And his integrity has ruffled some Evertonian feathers.
Their dismay is understandable.
Some believe that such straight-talking is necessary if Everton are to live up to the words of their motto ever again. I don’t.
Brutal honesty is a worthy quality in football, but rarely beneficial.
Remember Roy Hodgson’s ‘honesty’ across the park?
Teed up with the press conference equivalent of an open goal following his first Premier League match as Liverpool manager he blazed his answer, Ronny Rosenthal style, against the crossbar.
“Is there anywhere quite like Anfield for atmosphere?” he was asked.
“Well, San Siro and Old Trafford are excellent,” he replied honestly but naively.
Anfield? Yeah it's alright but it's no San Siro...
It was an error he repeated when asked about the Liverpool versus Manchester United rivalry.
“I’ve been involved in some big derbies in my career and you know how much they mean to the fans,” he mused. “It compares with Inter v Juventus. The Milan derby was a big occasion but the derby d’Italia was the real killer one, as it were.”
Then there was his very own Lukaku moment ... as it were.
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KOEMAN INSISTS HE WANTS LUKAKU TO STAY WITH BLUES
After Manchester United were linked with a move for then Anfield darling Fernando Torres, Hodgson refused to issue the traditional hands off warning.
“I don’t think Fernando Torres will be the only striker they target, and I don’t think that we will be the only club that will be worried their striker can be targeted,” he said.
“I am not naive to believe there won’t be any danger and we will never lose a player like Torres, I understand these things can happen.”
Fernando Torres in March 2009
The tumbleweed blew down Anfield Road while he spoke.
Soon after, Hodgson noted ruefully: “The famous Anfield support has not really been there ever since I came here.”
Any wonder?
Ronald Koeman appears to have the strength of character and the single-minded self belief not to care a jot if some fans disagree with him.
But there may come a time when he needs fans and footballers to all pull together – and some may not be rushing to his aid.
Evertonians don’t want Ronald Koeman to tell lies, to hype up his players or fall into the sugar-coated excesses of his loquacious predecessor.
But some want him to be just a little cuter in his observations.
Can you imagine Jurgen Klopp saying this?
Philippe Coutinho with Jurgen Klopp.
“Philippe Coutinho’s potential is greater and higher than Liverpool as a final destination. If Philippe was to play at Liverpool until the end of his career I know he has left something behind.”
Of course you can’t.
Not all Liverpool managers operate in the same way.
Rafael Benitez was a fully paid up member of the tough love brigade, once substituting Steven Gerrard in a derby match for “trying too hard.”
That policy was undeniably effective.
Howard Kendall
But so, too, was the greatest Everton manager of all’s brand of endearing honesty.
After a televised FA cup win over Tottenham in 1983 Howard Kendall was asked, predictably, who he would fancy in the next round.
With a mischievous smile he replied: “I don’t really mind who we face as long as we get a home draw …. Mind you, Brighton would be nice.”
Brighton were travelling to Anfield the next day.
Sometimes there’s a way of getting your message across.
To me, one of the things that separates us from them is the knowledge and appreciation that all though we're proud of our club, we know our flaws and that we're not "the greatest" just because we want them to be. The RS constantly need their ego's massaging. It's why a vast majority of their fanbase support them, for approval from others. Evertonians in general aren't like that.
The bit about Coutinho is a perfect example. Klopp wouldn't dream of saying something like that because of the way they are and the delusion of their fanbase. If he had have said it, like with Lukaku, it would be an accurate comment because Coutinho has the potential to play for bigger clubs than Liverpool with more chances of success. I bet there wouldn't be one of their supporters who would admit that though because they lie to themselves and tell themselves that they're the greatest, and shamefully so many people in this country, especially in the media allow them to get away with it.
kithnou
Player Valuation: £70m
I think mate that a problem I have with our fanbase is that they undervalue just how great a club we are. Sure, 3 decades of being rubbish and having owners and boards that have basically been useless, has left a generation or two of fans to not know.
We are a great club mate. Of course there will always be a handful of international giants that will always attract top players, but we are not "just any other" feeder club.
There would not have been a backlash from fans if Koeman said in a better way that Barcelona or Real were a possibility for Romelu in the future if Everton could not get CL football. I still think he initially said that Romelu should leave next Summer and then backtracked personally, but let's move on.
kithnou
Player Valuation: £70m
Say it again brother!
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor.../ronald-koeman-evertons-attack-gives-12195586
Ronald Koeman: 'Everton's attack gives me most doubt'
Everton boss Koeman demands forward improvement
BYDAVID PRENTICE
Ronald Koeman has demanded improvement from his forward players at Everton - but it’s not just their ability in front of goal he wants to see get better.
The Blues scored 10 goals in their opening five Premier League games this season, then just five in their next six.
But Romelu Lukaku still lies third in the Premier League’s leading scorers, with only Diego Costa and Sergio Aguero having scored more.
Koeman, however, wants to see better pressing and cleverer defensive work from his front players.
“Our attacking part of the team is the position is where I have the most doubt about players at the moment,” he explained.
“I lost my temper (after the Chelsea game), not straight after the game, but yes, when I was watching the game two or three days later, and you see what happens.
“Straight after is always difficult.
“It’s about the goals, the assists of the rest of the strikers, they need to improve they need to be more productive.
“Also the workrate of how we press in our offensive part of midfield and strikers.
“Of course at Chelsea we made big mistakes in the first two goals. The first one, Hazard against Williams and Coleman was a two-on-one situation but he still has a free shot, and that is impossible.
“We can make it easier.”
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KOEMAN QUIZZED ON LUKAKU'S FUTURE
The Blues boss explained that he has to try and introduce a change of mindset at the club, ingrained during three years of Roberto Martinez’s philosophy.
“That’s the difficult part for me,” added Koeman “because they are used to going down, to waiting, and now we need to press a little more.
“It’s difficult I understand because they need to change their attitude.
“Like Romelu - I can’t advise him on finishing in the box because I was not a striker and he is one of the best finishers I have ever seen in football. But yes I can teach him how he needs to press, how he needs to run, and how he can make it difficult for the defenders of our opponents.
“If he wants to be that striker, he needs to improve that aspect.”
Koeman tried to reinforce his philosophy by pointing out to his players how Chelsea’s forwards worked during their 5-0 demolition of the Blues at Stamford Bridge.
“Diego Costa is a great striker and a fighter with a great mentality,” he explained. “We have all the details out of that game and it shows the strikers of Chelsea are running more than our strikers.
“That was specifically from that game and we need to control everything, but Costa can learn from Lukaku in other aspects too. But those are the things you want from your striker.”
Koeman will also be looking for improvement from players in other positions when struggling Swansea visit Goodison Park.
Maarten Stekelenburg was at fault for at least two of Chelsea’s five goals, while the Blues were defensively suspect throughout.
Koeman added: “Yeah but if analyse about every position of the game at Chelsea, then I need to change the whole team.
“I think you need to analyse what happened. I am a manager and I don’t like to change every weekend because I believe in the team and players, but if a player gets a chance you need to give him confidence, not only for the game and next week.
“You need to deal between the result and what we like to improve.
“But they (the players) are not stupid, they know what happened, they knew what went wrong in every aspect of football. Now it’s about focusing on Saturday.”
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor.../ronald-koeman-evertons-attack-gives-12195586
Ronald Koeman: 'Everton's attack gives me most doubt'
Everton boss Koeman demands forward improvement
BYDAVID PRENTICE
- 22:29, 18 NOV 2016
- UPDATED18:26, 18 NOV 2016
Ronald Koeman has demanded improvement from his forward players at Everton - but it’s not just their ability in front of goal he wants to see get better.
The Blues scored 10 goals in their opening five Premier League games this season, then just five in their next six.
But Romelu Lukaku still lies third in the Premier League’s leading scorers, with only Diego Costa and Sergio Aguero having scored more.
Koeman, however, wants to see better pressing and cleverer defensive work from his front players.
“Our attacking part of the team is the position is where I have the most doubt about players at the moment,” he explained.
“I lost my temper (after the Chelsea game), not straight after the game, but yes, when I was watching the game two or three days later, and you see what happens.
“Straight after is always difficult.
“It’s about the goals, the assists of the rest of the strikers, they need to improve they need to be more productive.
“Also the workrate of how we press in our offensive part of midfield and strikers.
“Of course at Chelsea we made big mistakes in the first two goals. The first one, Hazard against Williams and Coleman was a two-on-one situation but he still has a free shot, and that is impossible.
“We can make it easier.”
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KOEMAN QUIZZED ON LUKAKU'S FUTURE
The Blues boss explained that he has to try and introduce a change of mindset at the club, ingrained during three years of Roberto Martinez’s philosophy.
“That’s the difficult part for me,” added Koeman “because they are used to going down, to waiting, and now we need to press a little more.
“It’s difficult I understand because they need to change their attitude.
“Like Romelu - I can’t advise him on finishing in the box because I was not a striker and he is one of the best finishers I have ever seen in football. But yes I can teach him how he needs to press, how he needs to run, and how he can make it difficult for the defenders of our opponents.
“If he wants to be that striker, he needs to improve that aspect.”
Koeman tried to reinforce his philosophy by pointing out to his players how Chelsea’s forwards worked during their 5-0 demolition of the Blues at Stamford Bridge.
“Diego Costa is a great striker and a fighter with a great mentality,” he explained. “We have all the details out of that game and it shows the strikers of Chelsea are running more than our strikers.
“That was specifically from that game and we need to control everything, but Costa can learn from Lukaku in other aspects too. But those are the things you want from your striker.”
Koeman will also be looking for improvement from players in other positions when struggling Swansea visit Goodison Park.
Maarten Stekelenburg was at fault for at least two of Chelsea’s five goals, while the Blues were defensively suspect throughout.
Koeman added: “Yeah but if analyse about every position of the game at Chelsea, then I need to change the whole team.
“I think you need to analyse what happened. I am a manager and I don’t like to change every weekend because I believe in the team and players, but if a player gets a chance you need to give him confidence, not only for the game and next week.
“You need to deal between the result and what we like to improve.
“But they (the players) are not stupid, they know what happened, they knew what went wrong in every aspect of football. Now it’s about focusing on Saturday.”
deipnosophist
Player Valuation: £80m
His doppelgänger on here likes mixing up his upper and lower case...but Chico never left us.
I love Chico...
weltonblue
Player Valuation: £1.5m
What is it about time?
Two weeks ago I was ready to throw in the towel after the humiliation of that awful display at Chelsea, and yet now, after a few words from Koeman, I am ready for the next round.
Please Ronald don't tease.
Two weeks ago I was ready to throw in the towel after the humiliation of that awful display at Chelsea, and yet now, after a few words from Koeman, I am ready for the next round.
Please Ronald don't tease.
Jags..class
Player Valuation: £70m
Say it again brother!
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor.../ronald-koeman-evertons-attack-gives-12195586
Ronald Koeman: 'Everton's attack gives me most doubt'
Everton boss Koeman demands forward improvement
BYDAVID PRENTICE
- 22:29, 18 NOV 2016
- UPDATED18:26, 18 NOV 2016
Ronald Koeman has demanded improvement from his forward players at Everton - but it’s not just their ability in front of goal he wants to see get better.
The Blues scored 10 goals in their opening five Premier League games this season, then just five in their next six.
But Romelu Lukaku still lies third in the Premier League’s leading scorers, with only Diego Costa and Sergio Aguero having scored more.
Koeman, however, wants to see better pressing and cleverer defensive work from his front players.
“Our attacking part of the team is the position is where I have the most doubt about players at the moment,” he explained.
“I lost my temper (after the Chelsea game), not straight after the game, but yes, when I was watching the game two or three days later, and you see what happens.
“Straight after is always difficult.
“It’s about the goals, the assists of the rest of the strikers, they need to improve they need to be more productive.
“Also the workrate of how we press in our offensive part of midfield and strikers.
“Of course at Chelsea we made big mistakes in the first two goals. The first one, Hazard against Williams and Coleman was a two-on-one situation but he still has a free shot, and that is impossible.
“We can make it easier.”
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KOEMAN QUIZZED ON LUKAKU'S FUTURE
The Blues boss explained that he has to try and introduce a change of mindset at the club, ingrained during three years of Roberto Martinez’s philosophy.
“That’s the difficult part for me,” added Koeman “because they are used to going down, to waiting, and now we need to press a little more.
“It’s difficult I understand because they need to change their attitude.
“Like Romelu - I can’t advise him on finishing in the box because I was not a striker and he is one of the best finishers I have ever seen in football. But yes I can teach him how he needs to press, how he needs to run, and how he can make it difficult for the defenders of our opponents.
“If he wants to be that striker, he needs to improve that aspect.”
Koeman tried to reinforce his philosophy by pointing out to his players how Chelsea’s forwards worked during their 5-0 demolition of the Blues at Stamford Bridge.
“Diego Costa is a great striker and a fighter with a great mentality,” he explained. “We have all the details out of that game and it shows the strikers of Chelsea are running more than our strikers.
“That was specifically from that game and we need to control everything, but Costa can learn from Lukaku in other aspects too. But those are the things you want from your striker.”
Koeman will also be looking for improvement from players in other positions when struggling Swansea visit Goodison Park.
Maarten Stekelenburg was at fault for at least two of Chelsea’s five goals, while the Blues were defensively suspect throughout.
Koeman added: “Yeah but if analyse about every position of the game at Chelsea, then I need to change the whole team.
“I think you need to analyse what happened. I am a manager and I don’t like to change every weekend because I believe in the team and players, but if a player gets a chance you need to give him confidence, not only for the game and next week.
“You need to deal between the result and what we like to improve.
“But they (the players) are not stupid, they know what happened, they knew what went wrong in every aspect of football. Now it’s about focusing on Saturday.”
This is why Koeman honestly is refreshing
kithnou
Player Valuation: £70m
Until you remember he is talking about our only attacker leaving?
duncs pigeon
Player Valuation: £35m
It was Brighton, and I do remember Kingy saying it, maybe Howard did as well
Agree, to me it reads "do what I expect or don't let the door hit you on the way out"
Simon baker
Player Valuation: £10m
About time he pulled lukaku up for not putting a shift in granted it's difficult as he is so productive but you can't get away with not putting a shift in off the ball in modern football.Say it again brother!
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor.../ronald-koeman-evertons-attack-gives-12195586
Ronald Koeman: 'Everton's attack gives me most doubt'
Everton boss Koeman demands forward improvement
BYDAVID PRENTICE
- 22:29, 18 NOV 2016
- UPDATED18:26, 18 NOV 2016
Ronald Koeman has demanded improvement from his forward players at Everton - but it’s not just their ability in front of goal he wants to see get better.
The Blues scored 10 goals in their opening five Premier League games this season, then just five in their next six.
But Romelu Lukaku still lies third in the Premier League’s leading scorers, with only Diego Costa and Sergio Aguero having scored more.
Koeman, however, wants to see better pressing and cleverer defensive work from his front players.
“Our attacking part of the team is the position is where I have the most doubt about players at the moment,” he explained.
“I lost my temper (after the Chelsea game), not straight after the game, but yes, when I was watching the game two or three days later, and you see what happens.
“Straight after is always difficult.
“It’s about the goals, the assists of the rest of the strikers, they need to improve they need to be more productive.
“Also the workrate of how we press in our offensive part of midfield and strikers.
“Of course at Chelsea we made big mistakes in the first two goals. The first one, Hazard against Williams and Coleman was a two-on-one situation but he still has a free shot, and that is impossible.
“We can make it easier.”
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KOEMAN QUIZZED ON LUKAKU'S FUTURE
The Blues boss explained that he has to try and introduce a change of mindset at the club, ingrained during three years of Roberto Martinez’s philosophy.
“That’s the difficult part for me,” added Koeman “because they are used to going down, to waiting, and now we need to press a little more.
“It’s difficult I understand because they need to change their attitude.
“Like Romelu - I can’t advise him on finishing in the box because I was not a striker and he is one of the best finishers I have ever seen in football. But yes I can teach him how he needs to press, how he needs to run, and how he can make it difficult for the defenders of our opponents.
“If he wants to be that striker, he needs to improve that aspect.”
Koeman tried to reinforce his philosophy by pointing out to his players how Chelsea’s forwards worked during their 5-0 demolition of the Blues at Stamford Bridge.
“Diego Costa is a great striker and a fighter with a great mentality,” he explained. “We have all the details out of that game and it shows the strikers of Chelsea are running more than our strikers.
“That was specifically from that game and we need to control everything, but Costa can learn from Lukaku in other aspects too. But those are the things you want from your striker.”
Koeman will also be looking for improvement from players in other positions when struggling Swansea visit Goodison Park.
Maarten Stekelenburg was at fault for at least two of Chelsea’s five goals, while the Blues were defensively suspect throughout.
Koeman added: “Yeah but if analyse about every position of the game at Chelsea, then I need to change the whole team.
“I think you need to analyse what happened. I am a manager and I don’t like to change every weekend because I believe in the team and players, but if a player gets a chance you need to give him confidence, not only for the game and next week.
“You need to deal between the result and what we like to improve.
“But they (the players) are not stupid, they know what happened, they knew what went wrong in every aspect of football. Now it’s about focusing on Saturday.”
Penno
Player Valuation: £10m
Exactly what I thought, I stopped reading it
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
The players the players the players...what about his suicide tactics of matching us up with Chelsea in their system? What about his team selection?Say it again brother!
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor.../ronald-koeman-evertons-attack-gives-12195586
Ronald Koeman: 'Everton's attack gives me most doubt'
Everton boss Koeman demands forward improvement
BYDAVID PRENTICE
- 22:29, 18 NOV 2016
- UPDATED18:26, 18 NOV 2016
Ronald Koeman has demanded improvement from his forward players at Everton - but it’s not just their ability in front of goal he wants to see get better.
The Blues scored 10 goals in their opening five Premier League games this season, then just five in their next six.
But Romelu Lukaku still lies third in the Premier League’s leading scorers, with only Diego Costa and Sergio Aguero having scored more.
Koeman, however, wants to see better pressing and cleverer defensive work from his front players.
“Our attacking part of the team is the position is where I have the most doubt about players at the moment,” he explained.
“I lost my temper (after the Chelsea game), not straight after the game, but yes, when I was watching the game two or three days later, and you see what happens.
“Straight after is always difficult.
“It’s about the goals, the assists of the rest of the strikers, they need to improve they need to be more productive.
“Also the workrate of how we press in our offensive part of midfield and strikers.
“Of course at Chelsea we made big mistakes in the first two goals. The first one, Hazard against Williams and Coleman was a two-on-one situation but he still has a free shot, and that is impossible.
“We can make it easier.”
CLICK TO PLAY
KOEMAN QUIZZED ON LUKAKU'S FUTURE
The Blues boss explained that he has to try and introduce a change of mindset at the club, ingrained during three years of Roberto Martinez’s philosophy.
“That’s the difficult part for me,” added Koeman “because they are used to going down, to waiting, and now we need to press a little more.
“It’s difficult I understand because they need to change their attitude.
“Like Romelu - I can’t advise him on finishing in the box because I was not a striker and he is one of the best finishers I have ever seen in football. But yes I can teach him how he needs to press, how he needs to run, and how he can make it difficult for the defenders of our opponents.
“If he wants to be that striker, he needs to improve that aspect.”
Koeman tried to reinforce his philosophy by pointing out to his players how Chelsea’s forwards worked during their 5-0 demolition of the Blues at Stamford Bridge.
“Diego Costa is a great striker and a fighter with a great mentality,” he explained. “We have all the details out of that game and it shows the strikers of Chelsea are running more than our strikers.
“That was specifically from that game and we need to control everything, but Costa can learn from Lukaku in other aspects too. But those are the things you want from your striker.”
Koeman will also be looking for improvement from players in other positions when struggling Swansea visit Goodison Park.
Maarten Stekelenburg was at fault for at least two of Chelsea’s five goals, while the Blues were defensively suspect throughout.
Koeman added: “Yeah but if analyse about every position of the game at Chelsea, then I need to change the whole team.
“I think you need to analyse what happened. I am a manager and I don’t like to change every weekend because I believe in the team and players, but if a player gets a chance you need to give him confidence, not only for the game and next week.
“You need to deal between the result and what we like to improve.
“But they (the players) are not stupid, they know what happened, they knew what went wrong in every aspect of football. Now it’s about focusing on Saturday.”
And if he continues to select that pudding of a GK he brought in after letting 5 past him in the last game out then how is he rewarding performances down there?
toffeeblue9
Player Valuation: £35m
Seem to remember it being fine to blame the players under a previous manager whose name currently escapes me
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