Romelu Lukaku

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It's not hard to understand. Again today he was by and large useless all game, then scores an absolute belter. That's Lukaku - crap and incredible at the same time, and a lot of people don't see enough of the incredible and too much of the crap.
Him being "useless" today had little to do with him today, but with the "tactics" of RK. The first goal literally falls out of the sky and Lukaku's one as well. Barkley hoofs the ball away (as he should, considering where he was with the ball) and Lukaku makes something out of that.
 
The bloke is unbelievable mate. If he had quality around him he'd be unstoppable.

This couldn't have been more clearly demonstrated today. Unfortunately under Koeman and Martinez, far from playing to his strengths, we've largely been actively playing to his weaknesses, asking him to come deep to pick up balls back to goal with no one to pass it to. When he loses the ball (as pretty much anyone would in the same situation most of the time), people then call him crap and useless beyond finishing, which is laughable, as evidenced by the second goal and cross to Gueye.

It's clear we have to settle on a system in which we can get him picking up the ball and running at goal as opposed to away from it and as you say, surround him with quality players.
 
Him being "useless" today had little to do with him today, but with the "tactics" of RK. The first goal literally falls out of the sky and Lukaku's one as well. Barkley hoofs the ball away (as he should, considering where he was with the ball) and Lukaku makes something out of that.

There were literally zero good balls to him until the 82nd minute. Our tactic seems to be hoof it at him and hope he does what he did for the goal every game. Needless to say, he can't do that every week.
 

There were literally zero good balls to him until the 82nd minute. Our tactic seems to be hoof it at him and hope he does what he did for the goal every game. Needless to say, he can't do that every week.

But did he do anything to involve himself in the overall team play other than wait for those hoofs?

That's the problem with him. He's isolated because he doesn't involve himself, because he lacks the capability to do so. Therefore he's a luxury player for the vast majority of every game, and when he's your sole striker you simply can't afford to have him be that anonymous 89 minutes every game.
 
But did he do anything to involve himself in the overall team play other than wait for those hoofs?

That's the problem with him. He's isolated because he doesn't involve himself, because he lacks the capability to do so. Therefore he's a luxury player for the vast majority of every game, and when he's your sole striker you simply can't afford to have him be that anonymous 89 minutes every game.

To be fair tubes he came deep, he went wide, he did try and get involved, but the big massive gap from midfield to attack was so big I expected a plane to land in it at 1 point.

Hes vastly isolated and has been all season.

When we stick the boy Gabi up top alongside him hes gonna make you cry.
 
But did he do anything to involve himself in the overall team play other than wait for those hoofs?

That's the problem with him. He's isolated because he doesn't involve himself, because he lacks the capability to do so. Therefore he's a luxury player for the vast majority of every game, and when he's your sole striker you simply can't afford to have him be that anonymous 89 minutes every game.

The whole point of only playing one striker is for them to focus on being there to finish the chances the creative players make. The problem, as perfectly shown today, is not Lukaku not involving himself, it's the failure of the system to involve him in the right way. As soon as we stopped hoofing it over his head and have him actual service, he started to cause problems e.g. the ball for Gueye. That was because we brought Barkley on, who had a good cameo and actually gave Lukaku a good ball to work with.

We shouldn't and don't need our lone striker building our attacks for us when his fellow attackers do the basics properly.
 
The whole point of only playing one striker is for them to focus on being there to finish the chances the creative players make. The problem, as perfectly shown today, is not Lukaku not involving himself, it's the failure of the system to involve him in the right way. As soon as we stopped hoofing it over his head and have him actual service, he started to cause problems e.g. the ball for Gueye. That was because we brought Barkley on, who had a good cameo and actually gave Lukaku a good ball to work with.

We shouldn't and don't need our lone striker building our attacks for us when his fellow attackers do the basics properly.

It's not though; that's where you and I will permanently disagree on this I fear, because the one striker system requires that player to link up play and bring other players up the pitch.

It's a team game of 11 players - not a team of 10 and one poacher.
 
To be fair tubes he came deep, he went wide, he did try and get involved, but the big massive gap from midfield to attack was so big I expected a plane to land in it at 1 point.

Hes vastly isolated and has been all season.

When we stick the boy Gabi up top alongside him hes gonna make you cry.

Not at all, because if his role in a system with two strikers (or a "false nine", whatever) is to lead the line and get in behind, then fine.

My problem with Lukaku is that that isn't his current role - he's tasked with holding the ball up and he fails dismally at it. That's not his fault, it's the managers, but there needs to be an admission that his lack of ability to do it right now is a liability.
 

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