Roberto Martinez discussion

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Oh I'm not saying he wasn't a totally ego-maniac mate.

I just wouldn't go as far to compare him to 'disasters' like Kroldrup or Simon Davies, for example.

At the time it gave everyone a boost and he scored on his debut. He got us a vital point in the Europa and won us the game at Burnley.

It was around the end of November (the weekend where we lost to Spurs) that something happened within the squad. It completely broke down after that result and the results went with it.

I think it's then that experienced players like Eto'o and Distin started becoming much more of a negative impact than a positive one.

Mate Eto'o was a bloody disaster, if the bar on not being one is what he did at us then no player on earth will ever be regarded as one

thing is, Martinez has enough very good transfers in the bank that trying to make out his ones that proved bad weren't really that bad is pointless and just makes the people look as blind as those who try to slate him as bad in the transfer market
 

Hi lads I don't see anyone from either side changing the other's opinion so state for the record if you are for or against Martinez and chat wham in other threads so we can get more lurkers in here to contribute please.

Your obsessiveness is putting them off. Thanks.
 

Again, there's an individual excuse for everything, but when you add them up the collective answer does not come out as you'd expect. If all of the above were true we would not have had 18 months in the bottom half.

I don't agree on Gibson, he's been fit for a while now but barely seen, he could have been used off the bench. Oviedo is playing now but when fit has been benched behind Galloway at times.

No problem if he wanted to sell Fellaini, Naismith etc. But combine this with Mirallas not being favoured (why?) and Gibson not used then you haves gap in the middle of the squad age wise. This has resulted in some lineups this season and last being completely inexperienced or some line ups frankly too old to compete in this league. No coincidence that recent improvement have come about as Lennon and Oviedo have come back into the team, players in their prime proven in the prem. Not enough of them in the squad at all. (Don't anyone post a comedy list with Kevin Nolan on you know what point I'm making).

Doesn't matter if Arteta left two years before Martinez. Moyes hadn't replaced him either, it became Martinez's job to do this when he took over especially with the decline of Pienaar and Osman. The 'hard to find' excuse is exactly that, an excuse. Moyes found both Arteta and Pienaar for 2 mill each, these players are out there and we have the money to get them. Instead we've spent close to 25 mill on defensive midfielders and 50 mill on strikers, it's all about priorities.

If you honestly think Martinez is getting the most from this team then the only logical conclusions are: Moyes was a managerial genius massively overachieving (unlikely), or Martinez has taken the quality of the squad backwards (probably not). How else do you explain a top 7 side spending 18 months in the bottom half? The answer of course is that the manager is not translating squad quality into results.

But you're acting like Martinez actually wants to fit that same style... but he's replaced the creativity that had been lacking with players like Deulofeu and the real emergence of Barkley this season. They may not be like for like, but they haven't needed to be.

Besic also looks like he could be the player to fill that 'deep-lying' playmaker role in the very near future.

Who knows why RM hasn't favourse Mirallas? I'm not going to take a guess as it would be just that. I'd like to see him more but for whatever reason we haven't and to be honest I don't think he's always the answer anyway.

You listed some players that you thought Martinez should get more out of. I pointed out exactly what he had got out of them. Maybe the fact remains that, even with the mistakes Martinez has made, the squad really isn't all that?
 
Mate Eto'o was a bloody disaster, if the bar on not being one is what he did at us then no player on earth will ever be regarded as one

thing is, Martinez has enough very good transfers in the bank that trying to make out his ones that proved bad weren't really that bad is pointless and just makes the people look as blind as those who try to slate him as bad in the transfer market

It was a bad signing but I don't think it was a disaster.

You do. Down to opinions.
 

Two things i stated was that Eto'o was a divisive figure at the club - something widely reported upon and only you seem to think differently, and that Howard was also reported to have had his back - yet again another widely reported by people who actually do have insight into the inner working of the club - which i also assume you really don't despite your posturing

As for McGeay and his wages - go show me the exact figure he is on then if you know so much mate? His salary at us has only ever been guessed at - his Salary in Russia was reported though and with their tax rates then he would to be on parity be on approx the 50k mark, happy to be proven wrong when you show me the reputable source showing his salary, or maybe your just dead good mates with him like or know a local taxi driver who once had a conversation with him. More than happy for you to show me 'the facts' though, please do?



Very mature there mate, take lessons at mod school for that wit?

No I learnt that on my own.

Lets do this properly then- lets see these reports?

These are the ones I can find on McGeady:

http://sportspayroll.com/aiden-mcgeady-salary-everton-fc/

£21k per week

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=a...Ovk8AL#q=aiden+mcgeady+salary+everton&start=0

€28k per week (£21,676 per week)

http://www.celebritiesmoney.com/aiden-mcgeady-salary-net-worth-midfield-right-wing-of-everton-fc/

$20k per week

Bit of a theme to the amount there eh.
 

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