Roberto Martinez discussion

[bluestevon]

Perhaps you can tell me what his original tactics were, and how they changed when Naismith came on for Besic.

Besic seemed to be closing down the left wing, while Naismith played on the right, and went on to score a hat-trick.

are you a mentalist?

 

[Seamus Colemole]

I think Roberto must have said a little more than; Pack the midfield, soak up their pressure and attack in numbers.

Presumably each player is given specific instructions for each game; where to play when we have possession and where to play when we don't, how to play the ball out of defence, and how high to play our defensive line, for example.

Then there are the dead ball situations; how to take our goal kicks, free kicks and corners, and how to defend against theirs. Yesterday, for example, Kone came back to defend corners.

To be honest mate you ain't gonna find what you want on here, most football fans (myself included) won't be able to give you an accurate detailed view of how tactics may have won or lost a team a game

Hence the amount of people who think it's as simple as if a team win the manager got the tactics right, and if they lose he got the tactics wrong. Thats simply not true. Sometimes it is but sometimes you can get the tactics right and lose, or get the tactics wrong and win.

Thats down to other factors, individual performances both good and bad, and luck.

Yesterday i'd say tactically we set up to stiffle Chelsea (both from the start and once Naismith came on) but pushing forward in numbers when we had the chance. That helped us get the win, more so it stopped Chelsea getting very few decent chances.

Obviously Naismith turning into Messi wasn't quite in the tactical plan but his good performance allowed us to win from the decent base the tactics gave us.

And if you can track down Theexecutionersbong's blog, if he still does it he'll be able to give you what you're looking for.

 

[Connor]

It's interesting that the only specific example you give is where Chelsea overloaded McCarthy and Matic was able to score.

And Martinez is flexible - he has often reverted to three at the back to close a game down towards the end.

As you say, he shut down the derby at Goodison last season - playing Barry, McCarthy and Besic. But in that case, he reverted to three at the back for the last eight minutes to go for the win. This released Coleman down the wing - and he very nearly scored.

Got some bubbles you can poke holes in here if you fancy it. Jesus wept.

 

[Osamabindiesel]

I think Martinez's biggest problem is he tries to "manage" the game rather than flat out win the game. He seems to ignore his players strengths at times in hopes that his style of football will ultimately win them the game.

There is a time and a place to score a beautiful goal, but there is also a time to get crosses in and win corners. The biggest reason we seem unbearably stagnant at times is because the other team is prepared for our style of play. He just needs a plan B imo

 

[bicycleheader]

Just rewatching the game, and around 29 minutes in Stones does a Cruyff turn in the box to lose the striker and then passes it to Galloway who drops the shoulder and bursts up the middle bringing the ball out.

Young talented footballers being encouraged to trust their instinct and enjoy the game.

Cheers Bobby!

 

[Titus Bramble]

I think Roberto must have said a little more than; Pack the midfield, soak up their pressure and attack in numbers.

Presumably each player is given specific instructions for each game; where to play when we have possession and where to play when we don't, how to play the ball out of defence, and how high to play our defensive line, for example.

Then there are the dead ball situations; how to take our goal kicks, free kicks and corners, and how to defend against theirs. Yesterday, for example, Kone came back to defend corners.

If you're after a 10 page analysis of what each players instructions were yesterday based on what was observed and without any input from any of the coaching staff from Everton you're definitely in the wrong place.

 

[Dithering Dougie]

If you're after a 10 page analysis of what each players instructions were yesterday based on what was observed and without any input from any of the coaching staff from Everton you're definitely in the wrong place.

But if he's looking for a cat gif...

 

[sageyefc]

I think Martinez's biggest problem is he tries to "manage" the game rather than flat out win the game. He seems to ignore his players strengths at times in hopes that his style of football will ultimately win them the game.

There is a time and a place to score a beautiful goal, but there is also a time to get crosses in and win corners. The biggest reason we seem unbearably stagnant at times is because the other team is prepared for our style of play. He just needs a plan B imo

Strange you lad, managing the game is exactly what you need to do and what all the top teams do well, can't go flat out for the win for 90 minutes, and we're winning ATM anyway so he's doing something right.

We've been getting plenty of crosses in and plenty of corners

Lack of plan B doesn't wash anymore either because he's shown he has

 

[TheFinnFan]

Where have all the plotters gone?

 

[Aar_the_Toffees]

I reckon last season's game was uppermost in Martinez's mind. We played an open game and tried to go toe to toe. It was a disaster. He was determined to tighten up and see if we could play off that base. He approached last season's derbies in much the same way - mauled in that Anfield derby two seasons ago, he was never going to engage them so high up the pitch subsequently.

His small but vociferous and noisy band of critics try and push an argument that Martinez is inflexible. It's utter bollocks, just like their campaign to unseat him.

Isn't it funny how people manage to criticize him even in a 3-1 win against the champions? It's the results that count not how we got them.

 

[ilikecheese]

Where have all the plotters gone?

Waiting and watching. Ready to pounce at any moment.

Had the result gone differently, they'd have been out in full force.

@davek would have spent the better part of his day battling them.

 

[TheFinnFan]

Waiting and watching. Ready to pounce at any moment.

Had the result gone differently, they'd have been out in full force.

@davek would have spent the better part of his day battling them.

Heard a rumour that Daveks head almost got turned but I didnt buy it. In Bobby we trust.

 

[chicoazul]

There's a very simple and easy to explain tactical reason why we won yesterday.

The reason is that we never bought or played a "number 10" that every tedious shitpipe obsessed over in the summer.

As a result we just went out there and ragged them because they'd done our head in. A good old fashioned Evertoning.

Stick your FIFA and Champ Manager up your arse you pissy pant flutes.

 

[Goat]

There's a very simple and easy to explain tactical reason why we won yesterday.

The reason is that we never bought or played a "number 10" that every tedious shitpipe obsessed over in the summer.

As a result we just went out there and ragged them because they'd done our head in. A good old fashioned Evertoning.

Stick your FIFA and Champ Manager up your arse you pissy pant flutes.

Naismith played as a number 10.

Learn to tactic bell.

 

[chicoazul]

Naismith played as a number 10.

Learn to tactic bell.

He played in midfield you fat f'ing knuckle.