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BK and those who trust he is still in charge. It might come down to a cage fight between BK and Moshiri to kill off Moyes' hopes of a second round of fat paychecks from us.
Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)
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BK and those who trust he is still in charge. It might come down to a cage fight between BK and Moshiri to kill off Moyes' hopes of a second round of fat paychecks from us.
LAToffee
Player Valuation: £20m
I think he's earned another 11 years to see if he can get us to another set of FA cup runners up medals.
Kiwi
Say NO to Ginger Managers
You've lowered yourself with this statement. Unacceptable
Cork Evertonian
Player Valuation: £50m
Where do we go from here?Hopefully Joe Royle and David Unsworth will see out the season.There's nothing to play for so we may as well blood a few of the younger players in the remaining games.This season is over and hopefully the Martinez regime will be over later on today.
kithnou
Player Valuation: £70m
I don't see it mate. Barring the unlikely event he walks himself, I think we are talking to prospective replacements and if we find one we will move in the Summer.
If we don't, I can see them going with him to start the next season.
I can't believe I wrote that, but the inactivity and procrastination tends to point towards that from the board.
Cork Evertonian
Player Valuation: £50m
I hope not but if that's what the board are going to do then they mustn't be aware of Sir John Moores philosophy when he was our chairman.
Everton is a very good club with a very good crowd, but they expect success and if they don't get success something should be done about it and something will be done about it.
kithnou
Player Valuation: £70m
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...roberto-martinez-future-everton-fans-11234085
Roberto Martinez future: Why Everton fans have to be at the heart of the club's decision
Roberto Martinez uses words. Lots of them. Eloquently, if sometimes a little over optimistically.
So it was appropriate that Saturday was a day for wordsmiths.
April 23, 2016 marked the 400 anniversary of the death of England's most celebrated writer, William Shakespeare.
It may also have been the day that Martinez's tenure as Everton manager shuffled off this mortal coil.
To be or not to be?
That really is the question which should be exercising Everton leaders' souls right now.
Bill Kenwright, and his new major shareholder Farhad Moshiri, face the same sort of angst ridden torment as the Danish prince.
Would it be nobler to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune? Or take arms against a sea of troubles?
Many supporters have already made their decision.
An utterly abysmal derby match destruction – described even by the Liverpool manager as “not really normal”- in the wake of the worst collection of home results since Everton took residence of Goodison Park, saw the 'Martinez Out' banner wavers appear to be vindicated.
A spirited second half Wembley display against Manchester United which threatened to rectify a worryingly one-sided first half offered only tentative defence of the manager's methods.
Football club owners have always carried heavy responsibility.
John Moores once declared: "Everton is a very good club with a very good crowd, but they expect success and if they don't get success something should be done about it and something will be done about it."
Much has changed at Everton since Johnny Carey received his P45 in a London taxi cab – after guiding the Blues to their highest post-War league position of fifth.
But half-a-century on, their motto hasn't.
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum still translates as 'Nothing But the Best Is Good Enough.'
And it is a perfectly fair question to whether what we have seen from Everton since the summer of 2014 is good enough.
In Premier League terms the answer must be a resounding no.
But do cup runs, youth development and an attacking philosophy offer sufficient defence of that wretched run of league results?
Roberto Martinez quite correctly points to the development of the young players under his charge.
Ross Barkley and John Stones would not have been nurtured, indulged and as a result improved as much under David Moyes' tenure as they have under Martinez.
The comparison is appropriate because there appear to have been digs from Martinez towards his predecessor in recent statements.
On Saturday night he spoke of refusing to accept being given ten years to work with Everton by being "mediocre."
It's a tough call? Are consistent top six finishes 'mediocre?'
And are Everton really closer than they were to winning silverware now than they were under Moyes?
Martinez believes that his open, expressive, attacking philosophy offers more opportunity to win matches, with the inherent risk of also losing games which accompanies such a policy, while his predecessor appeared more intent on not losing them.
But is that valid?
Sure, Everton have reached two Cup semi-finals this season.
But the only stern test they overcame in both runs was against a Chelsea team enduring its worst campaign for a decade.
When David Moyes reached his only Cup final in a decade, his team was drawn at Liverpool, a then decent Aston Villa and Manchester United en route.
But this isn't about comparing past with present.
It has to be about the now – and the opportunity Everton have under a new shareholder who gives Everton the finances, we are told, to compete with anyone.
On Saturday Martinez also claimed:“We gave young players big roles and have not invested money but managed assets.”
That seems a little churlish given the outlay on Romelu Lukaku and the large sum spent on a striker who three months after being paraded on the pitch still isn't considered fit enough to sit on a bench in a semi-final.
But money, managerial comparisons and playing philosophies aren't the issue here.
The fans are. It's always the fans. The fans make a football club what it is.
And when Everton finally found their feet and their form in a rousing second half at Wembley – finally reminiscent of some of the football they displayed in the second half of Martinez's first season as manager – Evertonians were roused and raucous.
But the boos which rang out a half-time –in a semi-final Everton only trailed by a single goal – appeared to indicate a lack of faith in the manager's ability to rectify things.
There were more boos when Jesse Lingard had acres of time to drive a left-footed shot wide early in the second period – finally replaced by roars of defiance, curiously after Lukaku's penalty had been saved.
Many, many Everton fans have lost faith in a manager they once adored for reopening the School of Science.
Those heady days seem a long time ago now.
To return to the Bard, Hamlet also claimed:“There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”
Is the time right for a new philosophy?
There is no doubt that Kenwright will endure sleepless nights over any decision. And it is a decision which must surely be at least crossing his mind right now.
He has only forcibly removed a manager once in his long tenure as Everton chairman – and on that occasion Walter Smith's side was just one point above the Premier League's relegation zone.
Martinez's reign has been nothing like that.
But after his first outstanding season, in amongst three long but unsuccessful Cup runs, there has been no obvious sign of Premier League progress.
To be or not to be....?
It really is a crucial question facing Everton this summer.
Roberto Martinez future: Why Everton fans have to be at the heart of the club's decision
- 15:18, 24 APR 2016
- UPDATED 15:58, 24 APR 2016
- BY DAVID PRENTICE
Roberto Martinez uses words. Lots of them. Eloquently, if sometimes a little over optimistically.
So it was appropriate that Saturday was a day for wordsmiths.
April 23, 2016 marked the 400 anniversary of the death of England's most celebrated writer, William Shakespeare.
It may also have been the day that Martinez's tenure as Everton manager shuffled off this mortal coil.
To be or not to be?
That really is the question which should be exercising Everton leaders' souls right now.
Bill Kenwright, and his new major shareholder Farhad Moshiri, face the same sort of angst ridden torment as the Danish prince.
Would it be nobler to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune? Or take arms against a sea of troubles?
Many supporters have already made their decision.
An utterly abysmal derby match destruction – described even by the Liverpool manager as “not really normal”- in the wake of the worst collection of home results since Everton took residence of Goodison Park, saw the 'Martinez Out' banner wavers appear to be vindicated.
A spirited second half Wembley display against Manchester United which threatened to rectify a worryingly one-sided first half offered only tentative defence of the manager's methods.
Football club owners have always carried heavy responsibility.
John Moores once declared: "Everton is a very good club with a very good crowd, but they expect success and if they don't get success something should be done about it and something will be done about it."
Much has changed at Everton since Johnny Carey received his P45 in a London taxi cab – after guiding the Blues to their highest post-War league position of fifth.
But half-a-century on, their motto hasn't.
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum still translates as 'Nothing But the Best Is Good Enough.'
And it is a perfectly fair question to whether what we have seen from Everton since the summer of 2014 is good enough.
In Premier League terms the answer must be a resounding no.
But do cup runs, youth development and an attacking philosophy offer sufficient defence of that wretched run of league results?
Roberto Martinez quite correctly points to the development of the young players under his charge.
Ross Barkley and John Stones would not have been nurtured, indulged and as a result improved as much under David Moyes' tenure as they have under Martinez.
The comparison is appropriate because there appear to have been digs from Martinez towards his predecessor in recent statements.
On Saturday night he spoke of refusing to accept being given ten years to work with Everton by being "mediocre."
It's a tough call? Are consistent top six finishes 'mediocre?'
And are Everton really closer than they were to winning silverware now than they were under Moyes?
Martinez believes that his open, expressive, attacking philosophy offers more opportunity to win matches, with the inherent risk of also losing games which accompanies such a policy, while his predecessor appeared more intent on not losing them.
But is that valid?
Sure, Everton have reached two Cup semi-finals this season.
But the only stern test they overcame in both runs was against a Chelsea team enduring its worst campaign for a decade.
When David Moyes reached his only Cup final in a decade, his team was drawn at Liverpool, a then decent Aston Villa and Manchester United en route.
But this isn't about comparing past with present.
It has to be about the now – and the opportunity Everton have under a new shareholder who gives Everton the finances, we are told, to compete with anyone.
On Saturday Martinez also claimed:“We gave young players big roles and have not invested money but managed assets.”
That seems a little churlish given the outlay on Romelu Lukaku and the large sum spent on a striker who three months after being paraded on the pitch still isn't considered fit enough to sit on a bench in a semi-final.
But money, managerial comparisons and playing philosophies aren't the issue here.
The fans are. It's always the fans. The fans make a football club what it is.
And when Everton finally found their feet and their form in a rousing second half at Wembley – finally reminiscent of some of the football they displayed in the second half of Martinez's first season as manager – Evertonians were roused and raucous.
But the boos which rang out a half-time –in a semi-final Everton only trailed by a single goal – appeared to indicate a lack of faith in the manager's ability to rectify things.
There were more boos when Jesse Lingard had acres of time to drive a left-footed shot wide early in the second period – finally replaced by roars of defiance, curiously after Lukaku's penalty had been saved.
Many, many Everton fans have lost faith in a manager they once adored for reopening the School of Science.
Those heady days seem a long time ago now.
To return to the Bard, Hamlet also claimed:“There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”
Is the time right for a new philosophy?
There is no doubt that Kenwright will endure sleepless nights over any decision. And it is a decision which must surely be at least crossing his mind right now.
He has only forcibly removed a manager once in his long tenure as Everton chairman – and on that occasion Walter Smith's side was just one point above the Premier League's relegation zone.
Martinez's reign has been nothing like that.
But after his first outstanding season, in amongst three long but unsuccessful Cup runs, there has been no obvious sign of Premier League progress.
To be or not to be....?
It really is a crucial question facing Everton this summer.
II McColl II
Player Valuation: £8m
Id believe it more if the clowns could spell Pellegrini
Typical bookie crap, lump a name up there get people paying for it, rake in the money then change to another name, rinse and repeat
Favre will be a favourite by the time they start looking around the fan forums just like Tuchel sky rocketed out of nowhere before we went with Martinez.
Hong Kong Phooey
Player Valuation: £8m
Well if he hasn't gone by the end of today I think we can safely assume he'll still be in charge for the Bournemouth game on Saturday.
The Cowboy
Player Valuation: £60m
Urgh. Shakespeare references. One for the minor fumes thread.http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...roberto-martinez-future-everton-fans-11234085
Roberto Martinez future: Why Everton fans have to be at the heart of the club's decision
Dave Prentice comments on the current situation at Goodison Park after the FA Cup semi-final exit
- 15:18, 24 APR 2016
- UPDATED 15:58, 24 APR 2016
- BY DAVID PRENTICE
Roberto Martinez uses words. Lots of them. Eloquently, if sometimes a little over optimistically.
So it was appropriate that Saturday was a day for wordsmiths.
April 23, 2016 marked the 400 anniversary of the death of England's most celebrated writer, William Shakespeare.
It may also have been the day that Martinez's tenure as Everton manager shuffled off this mortal coil.
To be or not to be?
That really is the question which should be exercising Everton leaders' souls right now.
Bill Kenwright, and his new major shareholder Farhad Moshiri, face the same sort of angst ridden torment as the Danish prince.
Would it be nobler to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune? Or take arms against a sea of troubles?
Many supporters have already made their decision.
An utterly abysmal derby match destruction – described even by the Liverpool manager as “not really normal”- in the wake of the worst collection of home results since Everton took residence of Goodison Park, saw the 'Martinez Out' banner wavers appear to be vindicated.
A spirited second half Wembley display against Manchester United which threatened to rectify a worryingly one-sided first half offered only tentative defence of the manager's methods.
Football club owners have always carried heavy responsibility.
John Moores once declared: "Everton is a very good club with a very good crowd, but they expect success and if they don't get success something should be done about it and something will be done about it."
Much has changed at Everton since Johnny Carey received his P45 in a London taxi cab – after guiding the Blues to their highest post-War league position of fifth.
But half-a-century on, their motto hasn't.
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum still translates as 'Nothing But the Best Is Good Enough.'
And it is a perfectly fair question to whether what we have seen from Everton since the summer of 2014 is good enough.
In Premier League terms the answer must be a resounding no.
But do cup runs, youth development and an attacking philosophy offer sufficient defence of that wretched run of league results?
Roberto Martinez quite correctly points to the development of the young players under his charge.
Ross Barkley and John Stones would not have been nurtured, indulged and as a result improved as much under David Moyes' tenure as they have under Martinez.
The comparison is appropriate because there appear to have been digs from Martinez towards his predecessor in recent statements.
On Saturday night he spoke of refusing to accept being given ten years to work with Everton by being "mediocre."
It's a tough call? Are consistent top six finishes 'mediocre?'
And are Everton really closer than they were to winning silverware now than they were under Moyes?
Martinez believes that his open, expressive, attacking philosophy offers more opportunity to win matches, with the inherent risk of also losing games which accompanies such a policy, while his predecessor appeared more intent on not losing them.
But is that valid?
Sure, Everton have reached two Cup semi-finals this season.
But the only stern test they overcame in both runs was against a Chelsea team enduring its worst campaign for a decade.
When David Moyes reached his only Cup final in a decade, his team was drawn at Liverpool, a then decent Aston Villa and Manchester United en route.
But this isn't about comparing past with present.
It has to be about the now – and the opportunity Everton have under a new shareholder who gives Everton the finances, we are told, to compete with anyone.
On Saturday Martinez also claimed:“We gave young players big roles and have not invested money but managed assets.”
That seems a little churlish given the outlay on Romelu Lukaku and the large sum spent on a striker who three months after being paraded on the pitch still isn't considered fit enough to sit on a bench in a semi-final.
But money, managerial comparisons and playing philosophies aren't the issue here.
The fans are. It's always the fans. The fans make a football club what it is.
And when Everton finally found their feet and their form in a rousing second half at Wembley – finally reminiscent of some of the football they displayed in the second half of Martinez's first season as manager – Evertonians were roused and raucous.
But the boos which rang out a half-time –in a semi-final Everton only trailed by a single goal – appeared to indicate a lack of faith in the manager's ability to rectify things.
There were more boos when Jesse Lingard had acres of time to drive a left-footed shot wide early in the second period – finally replaced by roars of defiance, curiously after Lukaku's penalty had been saved.
Many, many Everton fans have lost faith in a manager they once adored for reopening the School of Science.
Those heady days seem a long time ago now.
To return to the Bard, Hamlet also claimed:“There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”
Is the time right for a new philosophy?
There is no doubt that Kenwright will endure sleepless nights over any decision. And it is a decision which must surely be at least crossing his mind right now.
He has only forcibly removed a manager once in his long tenure as Everton chairman – and on that occasion Walter Smith's side was just one point above the Premier League's relegation zone.
Martinez's reign has been nothing like that.
But after his first outstanding season, in amongst three long but unsuccessful Cup runs, there has been no obvious sign of Premier League progress.
To be or not to be....?
It really is a crucial question facing Everton this summer.
The Cowboy
Player Valuation: £60m
He'll see out the season, of that I'm now sure.
I just think it's shameful that a manager who has overseen two of the most painful defeats following 2 seasons of declining performance does not see their position is immediately untenable.
Hong Kong Phooey
Player Valuation: £8m
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36120652
Not sure how to copy and paste as it's a video but worth a quick look.
Not sure how to copy and paste as it's a video but worth a quick look.
TheFinnFan
Finners
If he doesnt get the sack today he will be here in the end of the season 100%
Theres no reason to sack him after bournemouth game more than there already is. It is either today of when the season ends.
Ridiculous.
He should have been sacked before the semis like so many of us said.
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