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Bruce,

Am not sure 'panic now' is the ideal long term solution. I understand the need for "something" to be done, I don't agree that the restrictive business model being put forward for DK is the right something.

One thing I can't tell you with any degree of certainty (due to the ahem... commercial sensitivity of the figures) is why the £200k per game figure is so low... but I can hazard a guess. Costs for DK would be higher in any event, larger stadium, higher staffing costs etc, however there are the additional costs involved in the new arrangements also : the minimum £1M per year contribution to pay for the parking arrangements and enforcement and the like. You're also forgetting our Club's phenomenal ability to make a balls up of any commercial venture :)

As for the initial costs, well I think the days of our contribution being a meagre £78M are long gone... in the short to medium term climate it would be facile to suggest that the cross subsidy from a retail development will be near what was budgeted for, finance costs will be higher (interest rates may be low for safe bets, but I'd hate to think what our Corporate credit rating is, and I haven't got a D&B book to hand), and we'll be hoping to build at the same time as eveyone will be rushing to finish the Olympic Village.

While waiting for the golden goose, we'd do well not to saddle ourselves with a white elephant. At the risk of sounding like a stuck record, we need to make the very best of GP until we are in a strong position to decide what our next 100year home is to be; rather than jumping on any solution just because we currently happen to be in a weak position.

I agree that there is an awful lot more the club could do commercially to raise our income organically, and much of that can be done without worrying about matchday revenue at Goodison. Man Utd for instance earn more money from non-UK fans than they do from UK fans, so I think there is huge potential there both to grow and tap into our wider fan base considerably more than the club currently do.

I would certainly hope any new investor would bring with them commercial accumen, plus of course the motivation to turn a profit that perhaps BK in his role as benefactor failed to persue with the same vigour.

Any such organic strategy will take time though and that still leaves the peril of our short-term finances. I can't see Moyes getting much if any money this summer and there was enough debate last year about how long he'll stick around with no money etc. If we get to a situation where he has to sell to buy on a permanent basis, or indeed sell to survive as may be the case if we continue to lose money operationally.

'Tis a concern and whilst Kirby isn't an ideal solution by any stretch it may be the least worst option at the moment.
 


I have

On my own forum, and in The Sunday Observer (I couldn't be arsed doing the News of the World blog this week though, their image deal isn't working out as I wanted)

Read through the thread, and you will find I have already answered a similarly genius post about my postings on this forum.

Spread the word mate.

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"We beat West Brom! All our troubles are over! Wooo!"

Unfortunately most people have a higher IQ....
 
"We beat West Brom! All our troubles are over! Wooo!"

Unfortunately most people have a higher IQ....

Oh I'm sorry I dont have the Kirkby move playing 24-7 in my head when I watch the team play. Project what the club should be doing, promote the right way the club should be doing things, how to manage their finances, how to run their club..sorry the peoples club ie my club, our club. Bemoan the loss of the soul of the club, the loss of identity, the raping of our future fanbase, the fact we could never fill a 50,000 seater stadium, that we should turn Goodison into the Wembley of the north because its what we deserve due to our history - that it is possible but the club just dont see it when all us fans do as clear as day, that Ken-wrong will burn this club to the ground because he and his shady boardmembers and shareholders are their just to rape the club and make a quick buck, that the atmosphere is the best in the country regardless of any views, facilities etc and that should never change, ever because we sell out the ground week in week out, riding high on the attendence table in the league.....

Sorry because I personally gained gratification from seeing Saha score a belter of a goal against West Brom and after spending £34 on a ticket, £30 on a replica shirt, £40 on ale, and whatnots to get to the ground. I'd like to talk about that.

But that's not good enough is it...because apparantly im in the lower IQ bracket being that I dont "understand" a word you say.

Or could that be misunderstood as being - 1) I dont agree with you. 2) There's more to talk about the team and club than just Kirkby. 3) Why are you not discussing it on your own forum? OR are you just spreading the good news on Evil Kirkby to let everybody know the "real deal" the reality, the bottom line that everyone with lower IQ's dont understand.

Yes, low IQ. Get off your high horse mate and onto your 1 paragraph fanzone Observer write up on the matches.
 

Oh I'm sorry I dont have the Kirkby move playing 24-7 in my head when I watch the team play. Project what the club should be doing, promote the right way the club should be doing things, how to manage their finances, how to run their club..sorry the peoples club ie my club, our club. Bemoan the loss of the soul of the club, the loss of identity, the raping of our future fanbase, the fact we could never fill a 50,000 seater stadium, that we should turn Goodison into the Wembley of the north because its what we deserve due to our history - that it is possible but the club just dont see it when all us fans do as clear as day, that Ken-wrong will burn this club to the ground because he and his shady boardmembers and shareholders are their just to rape the club and make a quick buck, that the atmosphere is the best in the country regardless of any views, facilities etc and that should never change, ever because we sell out the ground week in week out, riding high on the attendence table in the league.....

Sorry because I personally gained gratification from seeing Saha score a belter of a goal against West Brom and after spending £34 on a ticket, £30 on a replica shirt, £40 on ale, and whatnots to get to the ground. I'd like to talk about that.

But that's not good enough is it...because apparantly im in the lower IQ bracket being that I dont "understand" a word you say.

Or could that be misunderstood as being - 1) I dont agree with you. 2) There's more to talk about the team and club than just Kirkby. 3) Why are you not discussing it on your own forum? OR are you just spreading the good news on Evil Kirkby to let everybody know the "real deal" the reality, the bottom line that everyone with lower IQ's dont understand.

Yes, low IQ. Get off your high horse mate and onto your 1 paragraph fanzone Observer write up on the matches.

You're a very angry little man aren't you

We beat a team bottom of the league. Personally, I expected that. I enjoyed it, but it happened 3 days ago. It was 3 points I never - for one minute - expected us to drop. We didn't.

I expect us to beat Middlesbrough as well.

This thread is about Robert Earl and his seeming refusal to put any money into the club until Kirkby is sorted out though.

Whether Kirkby is the right move for Everton or not, it won't be sorted out this side of 2010. The result of the Inquiry may be known by then, but that's just the beginning and by no means raises any money towards Everton's contribution to the move.

I don't really know what you've brought to this post other than your anger though. You've said you've disagreed with me, but all you've highlighted is that you disagree with me talking about Kirkby, which is weird really, becuase you could easily have just clicked the "Back" button on your browser and saved yourself all that anger if that's all you're prepared to discuss.
 
You're a very angry little man aren't you

We beat a team bottom of the league. Personally, I expected that. I enjoyed it, but it happened 3 days ago. It was 3 points I never - for one minute - expected us to drop. We didn't.

I expect us to beat Middlesbrough as well.

This thread is about Robert Earl and his seeming refusal to put any money into the club until Kirkby is sorted out though.

Whether Kirkby is the right move for Everton or not, it won't be sorted out this side of 2010. The result of the Inquiry may be known by then, but that's just the beginning and by no means raises any money towards Everton's contribution to the move.

I don't really know what you've brought to this post other than your anger though. You've said you've disagreed with me, but all you've highlighted is that you disagree with me talking about Kirkby, which is weird really, becuase you could easily have just clicked the "Back" button on your browser and saved yourself all that anger if that's all you're prepared to discuss.

No anger at all, far from it. I just posted what I read time and time again over DK.

BUT - I'm just not a fan of people posting and stooping to the level of "Unfortunately most people have a higher IQ...." indicating IMO that only people with "higher IQ's" talk about the Kirkby move more than the actual football, while the others with lower IQ's cant grasp the whole Kirkby debate and just watch the footy.

All I pointed out was that there's more to the club than just the Kirkby debate that you seem to just bang on about, mainly the same points, over and over. You're entitled to it, never said anything different.

But what's wrong with taking part in other non-kirkby thread you're a non-entity in? Unless you just utilise your discussion of the game to other forums. That's all I asked. Never said for once not to post about Kirkby in a Kirkby(ish) thread. But it just seems, on this board, its all you ever do.
You then had to state you had a higher IQ because of it which I found mildly out of order being it had a sense of pomposity to it when I just asked why you dont talk about the footy than the move which seems to plague your mind.
 
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No anger at all, far from it. I just posted what I read time and time again over DK.

BUT - I'm just not a fan of people posting and stooping to the level of "Unfortunately most people have a higher IQ...." indicating IMO that only people with "higher IQ's" talk about the Kirkby move more than the actual football, while the others with lower IQ's cant grasp the whole Kirkby debate and just watch the footy.

All I pointed out was that there's more to the club than just the Kirkby debate that you seem to just bang on about, mainly the same points, over and over. You're entitled to it, never said anything different.

But what's wrong with taking part in other non-kirkby thread you're a non-entity in? Unless you just utilise your discussion of the game to other forums. That's all I asked. Never said for once not to post about Kirkby in a Kirkby(ish) thread. But it just seems, on this board, its all you ever do.
You then had to state you had a higher IQ because of it which I found mildly out of order being it had a sense of pomposity to it when I just asked why you dont talk about the footy than the move which seems to plague your mind.

The higher IQ comment was intended to mean that people with above-monkey intelligence can actually grasp taking part in forum discussions about more than one topic in any given day.

As I have already pointed out to you, if you read the thread, you will find the answer as to why I post about Kirkby on here.

Yes, on this board, it is all I discuss. You'll find I've already said why if you read the whole thread.
 
Forgive me for missing the posts. In fairness it was only a bit of banter carried on from Chicoazul.

I just took the IQ comment as a snide to people who dont take part in the Kirkby debate.
 
Forgive me for missing the posts. In fairness it was only a bit of banter carried on from Chicoazul.

I just took the IQ comment as a snide to people who dont take part in the Kirkby debate.

That's cos it was, no matter how much he may deny it now. Personally I agree with the post earlier, his presence here is pretty disrespectful. Si, defend your board if you feel you must - I'm sure D/D don't feel the need to go on other boards defending this place, it doesn't need it - but other than that if you're not gonna make a full contribution across the board (npi) then with my uttermost regard and respect, do one! (y)b)
 

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