2020/21 Richarlison

[Carloblues]

Do you three want to sell one of our best players




I think we need to have more creativity around them which will enable them to both stay central rather than being moved around left/right to accomodate other players deficiencies.

Absolutely not, I'll build our team around Richy, but just saying I don't worry so much about him going because I don't think any team that would want him could afford him.

 

[ArtetaMoney]

1 of only 3 players who play regularly, that has any goal threat and people want to get rid of him.

Who we playing instead, Bernard? Gordon? Iwobi? Them 3 would get you about 4 goals between them and that’s if they played every single game.

Richarlison is a very good player, we need to keep him and add other good players around him. Mainly in the midfield and on the other wing.

 

[NathDogg]

Seeing some really poor shouts across the forum about getting rid of James (only one poster but it's madness), and now Richy - I'm dumbstruck that people are having a go at him and advocating selling - he's easily one of our best players.

Sure, he can be frustrating sometimes, but other times he wins us the game on his own. He's a baby still in footballing terms FFS.

Sometimes I do think we really don't deserve nice things.

 

[Pabbers]

Madness this place when we lose.

 

[Lanolin]

Seeing some really poor shouts across the forum about getting rid of James (only one poster but it's madness), and now Richy - I'm dumbstruck that people are having a go at him and advocating selling - he's easily one of our best players.

Sure, he can be frustrating sometimes, but other times he wins us the game on his own. He's a baby still in footballing terms FFS.

Sometimes I do think we really don't deserve nice things.

I love Richarlison, I think he's a quality player and (unlike some) I like his attitude. I can actually see the logic in selling him though. I'd be really disappointed, and it would be a risk when you look at our record of signing players because i'd have very little faith we'd bring in the required quality to replace him but... I'm not sure he's a great fit in the current side. He's just not a wide player in my eyes, he's an out and out striker. Basically all of his good points are related to being in and around the box, it's just a waste to have him out wide, and he and DCL just don't really seem to complement each other. I'd rather we didn't, but I can understand why people think we should sell him.

 

[Brisan123]

As a lone striker I’d prefer Richarlison over DCL
Better all round finisher
However we would need to buy a RW LW to make it work with him and James in a front 4
Plus we need a RB as a matter of urgency

 

[NathDogg]

I love Richarlison, I think he's a quality player and (unlike some) I like his attitude. I can actually see the logic in selling him though. I'd be really disappointed, and it would be a risk when you look at our record of signing players because i'd have very little faith we'd bring in the required quality to replace him but... I'm not sure he's a great fit in the current side. He's just not a wide player in my eyes, he's an out and out striker. Basically all of his good points are related to being in and around the box, it's just a waste to have him out wide, and he and DCL just don't really seem to complement each other. I'd rather we didn't, but I can understand why people think we should sell him.

I take you're point, but If we're serious about getting better and challenging for the league or European places, and the cup competitions, we cannot sell our better players.

We need to bring in better around him, especially in midfield.

Plenty of dross to launch feet first out the club before Richy.

The question is, if someone comes in for him this summer, can we keep hold of the lad?

We need Europe to be able to do that I think.

 

[Lanolin]

I take you're point, but If we're serious about getting better and challenging for the league or European places, and the cup competitions, we cannot sell our better players.

We need to bring in better around him, especially in midfield.

Plenty of dross to launch feet first out the club before Richy.

The question is, if someone comes in for him this summer, can we keep hold of the lad?

We need Europe to be able to do that I think.

Well he definitely doesn't need launching. As I said, I'd rather we didn't sell him, but truthfully I'm not sure he actually is one of our best players when he's stuck wide. He definitely could be one of our best players if he was more central, but at the moment he can be more of a hindrance than a help at times because he doesn't suit the position he's playing at all. If you can use him in a way where he gets chances like the one at Anfield he's a top quality player, running that left touch line he's just wasted. If we can't find a role for him that gets the best out of him then I can see why selling might make sense. In an ideal world the team gets an overhaul and we can start utilising him properly though.

 

[Lewy007]

Well he definitely doesn't need launching. As I said, I'd rather we didn't sell him, but truthfully I'm not sure he actually is one of our best players when he's stuck wide. He definitely could be one of our best players if he was more central, but at the moment he can be more of a hindrance than a help at times because he doesn't suit the position he's playing at all. If you can use him in a way where he gets chances like the one at Anfield he's a top quality player, running that left touch line he's just wasted. If we can't find a role for him that gets the best out of him then I can see why selling might make sense. In an ideal world the team gets an overhaul and we can start utilising him properly though.

Would rather sell dcl than richy get a proper LW and RW, for how good dom is he’s also very average at a lot of stuff, if he hasn’t got James or digne giving it to him on a plate in the 6 yard box then he’s not going to score

 

[Lanolin]

Would rather sell dcl than richy get a proper LW and RW, for how good dom is he’s also very average at a lot of stuff, if he hasn’t got James or digne giving it to him on a plate in the 6 yard box then he’s not going to score

Yeah I can understand that thought process too. Just to be clear, I don't advocate selling either of them. Ideally we find a way to play that gets the best out of both of them, but I can understand why some people might think it would be better to cash in.

 

[BlueToff]

Would rather sell dcl than richy get a proper LW and RW, for how good dom is he’s also very average at a lot of stuff, if he hasn’t got James or digne giving it to him on a plate in the 6 yard box then he’s not going to score

Let's just get some better players so that we can get the ball to him in the 6 yard box then

Let's also keep Richy

Fortunately, we have no need to sell either of them, not just yet.

We have Kean who is a sellable asset that we can get £30m+ for, Bernard will clear some big wages and get a small fee, hopefully find a buyer for Iwobi etc.

We should easily be able to bring in £50-60m in fees this summer without selling anyone who offers much.

 

[catcherintherye]

Yeah I can understand that thought process too. Just to be clear, I don't advocate selling either of them. Ideally we find a way to play that gets the best out of both of them, but I can understand why some people might think it would be better to cash in.

A lot of this is a broader question too. We have an aversion as a fanbase to selling our best players. I'd say there are a number of reasons for this- we have a bit of a chip on our shoulder as a fanbase, we have had to move a lot of (particularly younger) players well before we were ready too, and it kind of underlined in quite an acute manner that we are not a big club (and at times through the 90's were a financial mess).

However the clubs we are trying to emulate, Dortmund, Sevilla, Leverkusen to a degree Leicester all have a very different attitudes to selling players. It provides a liquidity in to the club, helps with FFP and allows to bring more through. While we don't want to lose players, we should be a bit more open to it. It doesn't meant sell to buy, or that we are going backwasrds or we lack ambition or whatever. If the price was right, I can see a lot of sense in selling 2 of Kean, Calvert Lewin & Richarlison and making 1 of them the key man. King could be backup and you could easily pick up a Danny Ings type to provide some competition too.

With the funds raised we could quite easily go and pick up a Bissouma, Pedro Neves/Raphina, Max Aarons at right back or players of that nature in 3 key positions we need more players. None of them are massively, all of them are young enough that they should get better and have good experience in the league so are unlikely to flop.

 

[Lanolin]

A lot of this is a broader question too. We have an aversion as a fanbase to selling our best players. I'd say there are a number of reasons for this- we have a bit of a chip on our shoulder as a fanbase, we have had to move a lot of (particularly younger) players well before we were ready too, and it kind of underlined in quite an acute manner that we are not a big club (and at times through the 90's were a financial mess).

However the clubs we are trying to emulate, Dortmund, Sevilla, Leverkusen to a degree Leicester all have a very different attitudes to selling players. It provides a liquidity in to the club, helps with FFP and allows to bring more through. While we don't want to lose players, we should be a bit more open to it. It doesn't meant sell to buy, or that we are going backwasrds or we lack ambition or whatever. If the price was right, I can see a lot of sense in selling 2 of Kean, Calvert Lewin & Richarlison and making 1 of them the key man. King could be backup and you could easily pick up a Danny Ings type to provide some competition too.

With the funds raised we could quite easily go and pick up a Bissouma, Pedro Neves/Raphina, Max Aarons at right back or players of that nature in 3 key positions we need more players. None of them are massively, all of them are young enough that they should get better and have good experience in the league so are unlikely to flop.

Yeah, i've said before that our aversion to selling our best players is totally understandable. If we could 'trust the process' then it's fine but we have a long history of selling our best players and either not replacing them at all, or doing it badly. If Brands started to show an ability to replace players adequately and use money wisely then I think it's a plan that makes sense. What you don't want is to be replacing Stones with Williams, Lukaku with nobody, Gueye with Delph etc etc.

 

[bluerobert]

Let's just get some better players so that we can get the ball to him in the 6 yard box then

Let's also keep Richy

Fortunately, we have no need to sell either of them, not just yet.

We have Kean who is a sellable asset that we can get £30m+ for, Bernard will clear some big wages and get a small fee, hopefully find a buyer for Iwobi etc.

We should easily be able to bring in £50-60m in fees this summer without selling anyone who offers much.

Iwobi is the one I’m worried about. If we do decide to cut our losses I just can’t see anyone taking him. Nobody above us is going to want him, those around us will see what little impact he’s had at us and won’t pay either what we want as a fee or what he wants in wages. Anyone below us I just can’t see him agreeing to the move.

He’s been slightly better of late but not enough you could pin your hopes to building a team around him. He just doesn’t create enough. I think we might get our money back on Kean, PSG or anyone else if they decide to take him they know he doesn’t want to play for us. What are we going to do, have him sat on the bench? I’d be happy with what we paid for him back. Bernard I think we’ll be lucky to get 10 million. He won’t go anywhere in England so who abroad is going to give us anything substantial for him. They’d be mad to. Iwobi could be the new Sandro

 

[catcherintherye]

Yeah, i've said before that our aversion to selling our best players is totally understandable. If we could 'trust the process' then it's fine but we have a long history of selling our best players and either not replacing them at all, or doing it badly. If Brands started to show an ability to replace players adequately and use money wisely then I think it's a plan that makes sense. What you don't want is to be replacing Stones with Williams, Lukaku with nobody, Gueye with Delph etc etc.

Yes agree with all of that. I don't think those at the top of the club have ever really understood it as a necessity. You're right that the summer when we sold Stones and particularly the following one we recruited really bady. The same is also true following Gana going as well, and while Gbamin has been unlucky, Delph has been an awful buy, every bit as bad as Williams was (I'd actually say worse).

We actually sold and reruited well under Moyes and early on under Martinez. So there is another tradition. To me, we can learn a lot from signings such as Godfrey and Doucoure. Yes in the abstract you can probably find cheaper players who could do a similar job, but for everyone 1 you find, you get 3 or 4 who will not work out.

This is essentially what Liverpool did with Mane, Lallana, Wijnaldum, Fabinho etc. None of them really world beaters, but all of the battle hardened players, the best at their clubs, who were in a very tight age range (23-25) where you were not getting any major drop off but also not waiting years for them to potentially deliver.

It's funny really, looking back to 2017, 4 years on, it has been the players of a similar profile, Sigurdsson,Keane, Pickford who were the best of what was quite a shoddy bunch. If we had signed another 3 of that profile, even though not perfect, it would have been a lot better than what we actually did with the rest.