Toffe3m4n
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Think that's the bottom 4 set there now for the rest of the season, not that we're greatly better than them but they're the 4 clear worst sides this year. I do hope that we won't be relying on having 3 worse teams, we should be so much better than that. We 100% won't be relegated or really in a fight but these players really need to pull the finger out in the New Year, hopefully with a goalscorer being brought in January. We're crap and boring to watch at the minute but a large part of that isn't necessarily because we're that bad, it's that no one can finish it seems. Dom should've scored quite easily in each match that he's played since coming back, fair enough he's gone injured again but he's been wasteful, Iwobi should've scored against Leicester, there are countless headers that the whole team should be doing better on. Seems Gray gets at least one good chance a game that he needlessly ruins whether it's a shot or chance to play someone in, Gordon the same when he plays.
Much like how I don't believe Leicester or West Ham are in a real position down the bottom I think the same for us. Now they're top half sides easily and we're probably not but we're easily a top 12 side with these players if they could stop being so wasteful. We don't create enough but that being said what does get created routinely gets wasted when a bit of composure would wield much better results.
I think this team is certainly better than the 4 below us as well as Leeds and maybe Palace, think Villa will be good under Emery but that's 5 sides that we should be comfortably above in my opinion. The only difference is that they have attackers that aren't wasteful mopes, outside of the attack our squad is genuinely far better than them, you can see that on the pitch, I'll go further and say it's mainly the wingers too, they're just braindead. Gray and Gordon are too selfish and not good enough to command the ball as much as they do, I think McNeil will be alright but he's still not great, he'll be better with Patterson behind him like earlier in the season. Honestly think if Townsend wasn't broken completely then he'd be doing well for us at the minute, he's the exact type we'd need at the moment and was very good last year, not full of quality but has the experience and understanding of the game that the rest of them don't.
We're not a great side but we won't be near relegation in any real sense. The sooner we can get a goalscoring winger in the better, even a creative winger would do. I genuinely think that's where the whole problem of the team lays, have competent wide players and it means Iwobi and Onana don't have to press high, meaning we have a midfield, also takes the reliance off of the full backs, Patterson is good going forward that's fine but Myko going forward is too inconsistent and takes him away from defending which is what he's good at.
I can see why the club thought we might be ok without signing another forward in the summer, in fairness Gray should've carried on at least some form from last year and you'd have thought after the merry go round and love fest that the manager had for Gordon that he'd actually kick on but both have fallen off a cliff completely, showing why one was only worth £1.5m and the other wasn't good enough for Preston and got only 4 goals, 2 of which he had no actual influence on, last season.
Much like how I don't believe Leicester or West Ham are in a real position down the bottom I think the same for us. Now they're top half sides easily and we're probably not but we're easily a top 12 side with these players if they could stop being so wasteful. We don't create enough but that being said what does get created routinely gets wasted when a bit of composure would wield much better results.
I think this team is certainly better than the 4 below us as well as Leeds and maybe Palace, think Villa will be good under Emery but that's 5 sides that we should be comfortably above in my opinion. The only difference is that they have attackers that aren't wasteful mopes, outside of the attack our squad is genuinely far better than them, you can see that on the pitch, I'll go further and say it's mainly the wingers too, they're just braindead. Gray and Gordon are too selfish and not good enough to command the ball as much as they do, I think McNeil will be alright but he's still not great, he'll be better with Patterson behind him like earlier in the season. Honestly think if Townsend wasn't broken completely then he'd be doing well for us at the minute, he's the exact type we'd need at the moment and was very good last year, not full of quality but has the experience and understanding of the game that the rest of them don't.
We're not a great side but we won't be near relegation in any real sense. The sooner we can get a goalscoring winger in the better, even a creative winger would do. I genuinely think that's where the whole problem of the team lays, have competent wide players and it means Iwobi and Onana don't have to press high, meaning we have a midfield, also takes the reliance off of the full backs, Patterson is good going forward that's fine but Myko going forward is too inconsistent and takes him away from defending which is what he's good at.
I can see why the club thought we might be ok without signing another forward in the summer, in fairness Gray should've carried on at least some form from last year and you'd have thought after the merry go round and love fest that the manager had for Gordon that he'd actually kick on but both have fallen off a cliff completely, showing why one was only worth £1.5m and the other wasn't good enough for Preston and got only 4 goals, 2 of which he had no actual influence on, last season.
Thankfully we have Pickford to save us.
But, if we keep allowing the most shots and not creating chances ourselves the defeats will come thick and fast.
TraffordBlue
Player Valuation: £30m
It's not blind faith so I will elaborate on my opinion. Although there are clearly big issues, and results prove that, I look at our team and although we have struggled for goals, I think Lampard has added a steel to our team that wasn't there when he came in last season. We have lost some games that we should have done much better in but we have ground out some points that we just wouldn't have last season. Brentford Away, West Ham at Home, Fulham Away.
Bringing in Tarkowski and Coady gives me hope that we will be fine and despite results being poor, the defence has certainly improved. You can see in the bottom 4 current teams goal difference how they will struggle all season (except for maybe Wolves if they have a turnaround).
Again though, I just don't see what you're saying here that doesn't apply to any other team? I'm not having a go, it just seems like you're saying 'I don't think we'll go down because I don't think we'll go down' rather than giving any actual reasons for why you believe that. The reasons you're giving don't really stand up to any scrutiny - we can't really be grinding out points that we wouldn't have done last year because otherwise we'd have more points than we did last year, and we haven't. It's just one of those cliches that gets thrown about, but in this case there's a way of measuring whether it's true and clearly it isn't.
As I said, i'm not being funny, I was just wondering whether you were seeing something that I wasn't that made you confident we'd stay away from a relegation scrap. It doesn't seem like that's the case, you just innately have more confidence in them than I do, which is fine.
Hassenhuttl is the flip side to the Arteta shouts that some people are making about Lampard. It's a reminder that giving a manager time doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to make it worth your while.
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Cork Evertonian
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We have enough about us to be around 13th or 14th. If Lampard is any good he will sort this out. I have faith and belief that he can do just that. He badly needs some attacking reinforcements in January though.
Cork Evertonian
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If we do get rid of Lampard, the main front runners for the job will be that Vitor Pereira fella, Big Dunc, Wayne Rooney and Roberto Martinez.
I'm sure that a lot of potential managers don't want to work under Moshiri. Hopefully Frank can get us moving up that league table, because i don't see his replacement being that much of an upgrade at all.
I'm sure that a lot of potential managers don't want to work under Moshiri. Hopefully Frank can get us moving up that league table, because i don't see his replacement being that much of an upgrade at all.
MACCA75
Player Valuation: £70m
Christ we’ll be nailed on for relegation with those first 3.
steven
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If Lampard goes then I feel Martinez is nailed on for a return….
MACCA75
Player Valuation: £70m
Probably. We are so predictable and lacking imagination when it comes to managers. What you get with the likes of Graeme Sharp and Bill on the board I guess.
If ever we were involved in a 6-pointer it's the game at Bournemouth at the weekend. Looking at the other matches there's a chance we could jump to 11th with a win. Too many of the teams around us are on the up, and Southampton might get a new-manager bounce, so a loss against Bournemouth, although not a complete disaster, is the last thing we want. Taking the WC break sitting in 11th or 12th, with Wolves at Goodison on Boxing Day, is what we want.
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Just tell him you hate Rangers.lol
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