Recommend a phone

[Dylan]

This isn't a preference per se, I just prefer 3.5" screens, I appreciate phones are more than just a communication device, but these 4" 4.2" etc are just too cumbersome for me.

Not gonna like the new iPhone then are you? I would go with the Lumia 800 then. 3.7" screen, so very comparable to your iPhone4.

 

[Dylan]

Took so many pics at o.t. for folks last week, and they were all sporting s3's.

Still prefer my Galaxy Nexus though tbh

Don't blame you for preferring the Nexus. It's a good looking phone. I just wished it actually had a curved screen like they alluded to in all the promotional material.

I like the iPhone, held the s3 it's very light, but too big. Very busy home screen too.

Why are they so big?

You were looking at the glorious Touchwiz. Although even with Touchwiz, you can make the home screens as busy or as mundane as you want. They are so big as that, surprisingly, is what their customers want. I have absolutely no problems with the screen size, although the capacitive buttons at the bottom took some getting used too. I kept accidentely touching them when using the phone in landscape.

 

[bluenose125]

Thus thread was started nearly six months ago and people are still recommending phones.

1...phones change by the day
2...surly after six months Bryon has a new phone.
3...time to close this thread????

 

[Dylan]

Thus thread was started nearly six months ago and people are still recommending phones.

1...phones change by the day
2...surly after six months Bryon has a new phone.
3...time to close this thread????

I will field this one.

1 - Yes they do
2 - AFAIK he is still on his iPhone 4S that he was complaining about
3- Absolutely not. Better to have one centralized thread that we can bring back rather than starting a new thread every two weeks.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

Not gonna like the new iPhone then are you? I would go with the Lumia 800 then. 3.7" screen, so very comparable to your iPhone4.

Yeah, I'll either stay with this 4S or the Nokia 800, really good exchange Lync and sharepoint integration.

 

[Brennan]

I am lost as to why this is a competition. I asked you earlier in this thread if you had actually used the phones in question, and I don't think you have. Because you are talking utter bollocks.

The iPhone 4 on iOS 5.1. is jittery (which I have). And it is worse on the 3G running 5.1 The iPhone 4S, which my wife has on 5.1 was 'buttery' smooth until I have tried the S3 on Jellybean. Now the 4S just doesn't seem as smooth.

Rather than talking out of your ass and proclaiming triumph for a company purely because you own a product, lets look at the fact that all phones are not created equal and neither are they going to be the right phones for all people.

The iPhone 4 was the right phone for me, for quite a long time. Now it isn't. And to be honest, I doubt this new iPhone, which Apple fanboys are already heralding as revolutionary for its 4" screen (lulz) with iOS 6 will do anything for me. Android is at a point where it is now on equal footing with iOS in terms of ease of use and 'smooth' ui (which was a must for me), but it also still has all the REAL customizing available.

Quite poor form for a mod to be talking like that, to be quite honest, especially when you're clearly misinformed.

I just asked two of my Android using friends (one of whom owns a One X) and both confirmed that Android is slower than iOS in general menu navigation OUT OF THE BOX. This is coming from one person who owned a 4S before swapping for his brother's One X (which he regrets), and somebody who uses a HTC One S alongside a current generation iPod Touch running iOS 5.

Now you may scream 'THATS NOT FAIR THE ONE S ISNT AS FAST AS THE S3 !!!!', unfortunately the speed of the device's hardware is not the real problem, it's a software issue.

But i'll let the facts speak for themselves:

The news comes straight in the form of two posts over on Google’s struggling social network Google+: one by a Google engineer who talks about how graphics work on Android and the other by a 3rd year software engineering student in reply to the first post. Both are pretty lengthy and can get pretty technical, so we’ll try simplifying it as much as we can.

We’ll start off with Google engineer Dianne Hackborn’s post. She states that hardware acceleration – i.e. using the GPU, instead of CPU alone, to render the user-interface – has existed on Android since version 1.0 for things such as sliding the notification bar, pop-up dialogues etc. Full hardware acceleration only came with Android 3.0 Honeycomb and, unsurprisingly, Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich actually has the same kind of hardware acceleration and this won’t necessarily sweeten things up.

Now, the question arises: why is it that even seemingly outdated phones like the iPhone 3GS offer a smoother UI than the latest Android smartphones? iOS uses hardware acceleration and that too on weaker hardware. How do Apple’s engineers manage to pull it off, then? Why can’t Google do the same?
That has been answered by Andrew Munn – software engineering student, ex-intern at Google and future intern with Windows Phone 7 team at Microsoft – who states that UI rendering processes in iOS occur with dedicated threads with real-time priority whereas on Android, UI rendering processes occur along with the main thread with normal priority. Whenever an iOS devices detects touch, it stops other processes and focuses all attention to rendering the UI. Android devices don’t do this, instead general processing and UI rendering occurs concurrently which results in choppy UI.

http://www.redmondpie.com/heres-why-androids-ui-will-never-be-as-smooth-as-ios-or-windows-phone-7/

That's where Project Butter comes in:

[video=youtube;ijol7KbqYQs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijol7KbqYQs[/video]

Unfortunately, the Galaxy S3 (at stock) is not running Android 4.1, and will not in the immediate future, and Jellybean is currently running on a tiny percentage of overall Android handsets. The only device which could arguably be as smooth as the iPhone 4S at this point in time at retail would be a Galaxy Nexus.

The fact that i own the phone doesn't really make a difference, i'm happy to point out the flaws in the current iPhone. The display is on the small side, the aspect ratio is annoying for watching videos, the lack of widgets is stupid, and the lack of wide video file playback support can be a pain.

 

[Brennan]

Yeah, I'll either stay with this 4S or the Nokia 800, really good exchange Lync and sharepoint integration.

Having owned a 4" device, a 3.5" device, and a 4.3" device in the past two years i can re-assure you that a 4" screen really shouldn't impact your experience much at all. The good thing with the new iPhone (if the rumours are true) is that the display won't be any wider, it will simply extend the vertical height of the display to a 16:9 aspect ratio. That, coupled with the fact that the bezel around the bottom of the device will most likely be reduced should eliminate any size issues.

Photo comparing a 'leaked' 16:9 4" display front panel from the rumoured new iPhone:

 

[Dylan]

Quite poor form for a mod to be talking like that, to be quite honest, especially when you're clearly misinformed.

I just asked two of my Android using friends (one of whom owns a One X) and both confirmed that Android is slower than iOS in general menu navigation OUT OF THE BOX. This is coming from one person who owned a 4S before swapping for his brother's One X (which he regrets), and somebody who uses a HTC One S alongside a current generation iPod Touch running iOS 5.

Now you may scream 'THATS NOT FAIR THE ONE S ISNT AS FAST AS THE S3 !!!!', unfortunately the speed of the device's hardware is not the real problem, it's a software issue.

But i'll let the facts speak for themselves:



http://www.redmondpie.com/heres-why-androids-ui-will-never-be-as-smooth-as-ios-or-windows-phone-7/

That's where Project Butter comes in:

[video=youtube;ijol7KbqYQs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijol7KbqYQs[/video]

Unfortunately, the Galaxy S3 (at stock) is not running Android 4.1, and will not in the immediate future, and Jellybean is currently running on a tiny percentage of overall Android handsets. The only device which could arguably be as smooth as the iPhone 4S at this point in time at retail would be a Galaxy Nexus.

The fact that i own the phone doesn't really make a difference, i'm happy to point out the flaws in the current iPhone. The display is on the small side, the aspect ratio is annoying for watching videos, the lack of widgets is stupid, and the lack of wide video file playback support can be a pain.

Tell you what mate. I am not misinformed. And it isn't poor form from me. You are talking out of your ass in this context. I am not arguing for or against android or iOS. What I would like you to do is be subjective. Rather than go on anecdotal evidence you should really try something out first hand for yourself. For every disgruntled android user I can show you a disgruntled apple user.

Touchwiz over ICS on the S3 is smooth and not choppy. How do I know? I HAVE BEEN USING IT FOR THE LAST TWO MONTHS. Every bit as smooth as the iPhone 4S. I decided to change it up a bit and flash 4.1.1 and it has changed my view on smooth. No longer does the 4S feel smooth. This thing in my hand blazes. FAST AND SMOOTH. As the iOS crowd have crowed on about for beards....don't look at benchmarks and specs. Look at the end user experience. And jellybean on an S3 is a better experience, FOR ME, than a 4S on 5.1

That is what you are failing to get here.

 

[Dylan]

Also I would like to point out your source for the quotes obviously come from a pro-apple site. Why point out 'on googles struggling social media'. It has nothing to do with the story other than highlight the personal stance of the author.

 

[Brennan]

Tell you what mate. I am not misinformed.

You clearly are though.

And it isn't poor form from me. You are talking out of your ass in this context.

It sort of is, when you have to go from having an actual discussion to just telling somebody they're talking out of their ass.

What I would like you to do is be subjective.

I'm quite sure that being objective, and looking at facts, is more sensible in this case.

What I would like you to do is be subjective. Rather than go on anecdotal evidence you should really try something out first hand for yourself.

Being subjective often involves using anecdotal evidence. So, not sure what you're trying to say here really.

Also I would like to point out your source for the quotes obviously come from a pro-apple site. Why point out 'on googles struggling social media'. It has nothing to do with the story other than highlight the personal stance of the author.

Hahahahaha.

Yes, i'm sure a site called 'RedmondPie' (Redmond is the city in which Microsoft has it's HQ) is a 'pro-apple' website. From their own site description:

A site focused on technology news & views about products/services from Microsoft and its competitors like Apple and Google.

And apparently i'm the misinformed one. Besides, even if the article was written by a 'Pro-Apple' website, that doesn't change the _facts_ written by the Google Engineer, found here:

https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s

Next you'll be telling me Google+ is a 'Pro Apple' site too.

I post factual information written by the people who actually have a hand in developing the hardware and software you're using and you tell me i'm talking out of my ass. Hilarious.

But you know, i'm sure the evidence provided by the two engineers in the link i originally posted is completely made up, that's why it was echoed across the internet on multiple websites. It's a complete fabrication because after using a Galaxy S 3 for two whole months you apparently know more than the people who design software and hardware for a living.

 

[Brennan]

Same story from a site called 'Androidandme':

http://androidandme.com/2011/12/news/android-may-never-be-as-smooth-as-ios-says-ex-googler/

 

[Dylan]

You clearly are though.



It sort of is, when you have to go from having an actual discussion to just telling somebody they're talking out of their ass.



I'm quite sure that being objective, and looking at facts, is more sensible in this case.



Being subjective often involves using anecdotal evidence. So, not sure what you're trying to say here really.



Hahahahaha.

Yes, i'm sure a site called 'RedmondPie' (Redmond is the city in which Microsoft has it's HQ) is a 'pro-apple' website. From their own site description:



And apparently i'm the misinformed one. Besides, even if the article was written by a 'Pro-Apple' website, that doesn't change the _facts_ written by the Google Engineer, found here:

https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s

Next you'll be telling me Google+ is a 'Pro Apple' site too.

I post factual information written by the people who actually have a hand in developing the hardware and software you're using and you tell me i'm talking out of my ass. Hilarious.

But you know, i'm sure the evidence provided by the two engineers in the link i originally posted is completely made up, that's why it was echoed across the internet on multiple websites. It's a complete fabrication because after using a Galaxy S 3 for two whole months you apparently know more than the people who design software and hardware for a living.

Oh deary me. You are talking bollocks. You have managed to degrade this into an Apple versus Android dispute. The original context, was when you told me, that my phone is not as smooth as an iPhone 4S. Guess what. BOLLOCKS. That is what it is.

All you have done, is further cement your stance as an apple fanboy, an argumentative soul who can also use google.

Congratulations.

I don't care what Android has been like in the past with regards to hardware acceleration. You are arguing new points that you brought up yourself. You also seem to think that the opinions of your couple of android owning friends hold more weight than my own opinion should hold with me.

What I have been saying for ages, and I will still continue to recommend is get the phone that is suited for YOU. Not get the phone that is suited for me. Get the one that makes you happy.

After using the iPhone 4S and then using the S3, the only difference is in your own personal preference of the look of the OS. Now the S3 has AOSP 4.1.1. on it, FOR ME, the 4S is no longer king of the smooth experience. But don't let my opinion of something I have experienced first hand get in the way of your trumpeting from the parapets about how awesome the iPhone is.

Have fun.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

Shut up Brennan

 

[Brennan]

Oh deary me. You are talking bollocks. You have managed to degrade this into an Apple versus Android dispute. The original context, was when you told me, that my phone is not as smooth as an iPhone 4S. Guess what. BOLLOCKS. That is what it is.

All you have done, is further cement your stance as an apple fanboy, an argumentative soul who can also use google.

Congratulations.

I don't care what Android has been like in the past with regards to hardware acceleration. You are arguing new points that you brought up yourself. You also seem to think that the opinions of your couple of android owning friends hold more weight than my own opinion should hold with me.

What I have been saying for ages, and I will still continue to recommend is get the phone that is suited for YOU. Not get the phone that is suited for me. Get the one that makes you happy.

After using the iPhone 4S and then using the S3, the only difference is in your own personal preference of the look of the OS. Now the S3 has AOSP 4.1.1. on it, FOR ME, the 4S is no longer king of the smooth experience. But don't let my opinion of something I have experienced first hand get in the way of your trumpeting from the parapets about how awesome the iPhone is.

Have fun.

Redmond Pie is such a pro-apple site.

Lol.

 

[Dylan]

And lolz were had by all.....