Reality check: are we small-time?

are we small-time?

  • yes, we are a small club

    Votes: 30 16.7%

  • no, we are big-time (at worst, a sleeping Giant)

    Votes: 118 65.6%

  • i'm gonna chicken out by making some cheese on toast

    Votes: 32 17.8%
  • Total voters
    180
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dholliday said:
First job for the Chief Exec: find a way to reduce the supposed value of the club from 125m to around 80m.
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It's not the CEO's job to set the equity value.

CEO: "Bill can you reduce the sale price by £45M please"

Bill: "No"

End of conversation

What are you expecting this 'magic man' CEO to do in that regard?

As for your 'perception of status' ultimately that's just wind & piss until it's combined with some tangible actions that back up the diatribe. Those actions will invariably involve shed loads of cash, & until someone sits in the boardroom who's both willing & capable of providing it, nothing much will change. The revenue improvements that could possibly be driven without massive cash injections, are nothing much more than 'window dressing' in the grand scheme of things.
 

Foot Long Hot Dog said:
It's not the CEO's job to set the equity value.
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It's not his job to set it. It'll be his job to push for it.

A long-term strategic plan has to start with some brutal hometruths. One of those truths is that no investor is willing to invest in us if we're overvalued.

Of course, Kenwright will probably not appoint such a position, so rendering all this discussion speculative anyway.


Foot Long Hot Dog said:
...involve shed loads of cash...massive cash injections...
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Again, you're thinking small-time. This is preventing us from getting anywhere.

We're blocking progression by overstating the importance of money. We've been doing it for years now:

We don't have massive money, thus we can never be successful, but we're still a Big Club, because ifya know yer history etc.

Change of mindset is required! We don't need massive cash injections for the plan I set out. We just need our Chairman and his board & shareholders to think progressively (which they're obviously not doing).
 
dholliday said:
Spurs are regularly qualifying for Europe now, and have had a better calibre of player attracted to them: Modric, Van der Vaart and they've still kept Bale. And they attracted AVB, one of the hottest managers in the game. Newcastle pack 20,000 more fans in their stadium than ours, but apart from that I'd day we're on par with them...but not with Spurs.

Spurs are a really good example of how you can improve your club's status by clever management. Daniel Levy's done a sterling job there. We should be able to do just as well.
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Spurs are currently better off than us but I don't think their first 11 is much better than ours, except for having Bale. In fact if you took Bale and Fellaini out of both teams, which could happen next season, I would say that ours is as good as theirs if not better. We took 4 points off them this season as well so the only reason I think they finished higher is because they had one of the best players in the league winning them matches single handed and the fact they have a bigger squad. Their stadium is holding them back and the only reason they make more matchday revenue than us is because they have fans from some of the wealthiest parts of England willing to pay extortionate prices whereas our fanbase is made up of fans with much less money. They are still way behind the likes of Chelsea and Arsenal for how much money the club makes each season.

Newcastle get 20,000 more than us a season purely because they are the only team in their city. If they had Liverpool FC to share their city with they would get about 20,000. They didn't always get big crowds either.
 
EFC78 said:
they had one of the best players in the league winning them matches single handed and the fact they have a bigger squad.
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True dat.

If we had a Bale in our team doing what he's been doing, could we keep him?

I hope so. I hope we do keep Fellaini & Baines, and Jags too. These 3 are essential.
 

Don't wanna sound petty, but even historically are we regarded as that big?

Finally got round to watching Match of the Day tonight, and for the Man U game John Motson rolled it out (with footage of the managers in question):

They were the giants of the industry we call football management over the last 50 years:

Alf Ramsey
Matt Busby
Jock Stein
Bill Shankly
Bill Nicholsen
Bob Paisley
Brian Clough
Ron Greenwood
Bobby Robson
and
Alex Ferguson
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Clubs represented: Liverpool (twice), Man Utd (twice), England (three times), West Ham, Notts Forest, Ipswish, Derby, Celtic, Spurs.

First thing I thought was: why no Harry Catterick or Howard Kendall? Kendall's trophy haul is I think on par with Nicholsen & Greenwood, and Catterick didn't do too badly either.

But then a Leeds fan would also be grumbling: why no Don Revie? Or Arsenal thinking where for art thou Bertie Mee? So maybe I'm just nitpicking.


Still, the romance & history of the game is in part made by media montages like this...and we never seem to be part of them.
 
dholliday said:
Don't wanna sound petty, but even historically are we regarded as that big?

Finally got round to watching Match of the Day tonight, and for the Man U game John Motson rolled it out (with footage of the managers in question):



Clubs represented: Liverpool (twice), Man Utd (twice), England (three times), West Ham, Notts Forest, Ipswish, Derby, Celtic, Spurs.

First thing I thought was: why no Harry Catterick or Howard Kendall? Kendall's trophy haul is I think on par with Nicholsen & Greenwood, and Catterick didn't do too badly either.

But then a Leeds fan would also be grumbling: why no Don Revie? Or Arsenal thinking where for art thou Bertie Mee? So maybe I'm just nitpicking.


Still, the romance & history of the game is in part made by media montages like this...and we never seem to be part of them.
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Give it up.
 
dholliday said:
And again media-related: our under-representation as pundits is also an issue (something our 3-point plan could work on improving).

I'm just identifying stuff related to the themes of this thread. What you up to?
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Does it really matter?

Just watching telly mate x
 

To answer the original question,

ok we're not as big as United or Liverpool but for me (and i have supported the blues since the 80's when this was indisputable) we are in the second tier of big clubs - alongside but not below the Arsenals, Chelsea's Spurs's etc of the current top flight.
 
It's hard to argue about dholliday's hopes and ambition, but there are a lot of hurdles. The most difficult, imo, is his proposal
that we shut down Goodison Park for two or three seasons for a massive redevelopment and share Anfield.

Wow, how do we pay for that? And the hurdles that we'd have to clear to arrange the groundshare, albeit temporary, are
frightening.

The thread title, in the end, had little to do with what he was proposing, but at least it attracted the attention of us passionate
supporters.
 
We finish above the R/S and get less t v money,say's it all really,we need a high profile manager
To help enlarge our image
 

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