Racists win 2 seats in the European Parliament

Screech · June 8, 2009

BNP have won 2 seats in the EP, North West and Yorkshire

Boo!

Whitebootman · June 8, 2009

Our MP's fiddle while the UK goes downhill.

We need decent honest people in Parliament talking to people about real issues, putting the argument against extreamist thugs, or we'll just let more racist idiots in while everyone is looking elsewhere.

Not happy. Rant over. For now.

robbo1957 · June 8, 2009

BNP win seats

Only people to blame are those that didn't get off their arses and vote. They will be to the first to complain.

Nebbiolo · June 8, 2009

The far-right (Dansk Folkeparti) got about 17% of the vote over here. I believe that translates to two seats for them, out of just 17 seats in total.

Disgraceful.

BigJR · June 8, 2009

robbo1957 said:
Only people to blame are those that didn't get off their arses and vote. They will be to the first to complain.

The only people to blame are the idiot mainstream parties who have made this racist party look vaguely like another option.

davek · June 8, 2009

Biggest political crisis in decades and the BNP took just 6% of the total vote. And they only took that by turning themselves inside out and presenting themselves as a party with 'traditional British values' and denying what they essentially are. They had to become the UKIP of the delipadiated manufacturing towns. This wont represent a base camp they can work from, it'll just usher in a split in its ranks between the new breed of politicos who'll get a taste for the Euro gravy and the knuckle draggers who just want to smash an immigrants face to bits. Complete jokes destined to alway be riven with schisms.

Nebbiolo · June 8, 2009

davek said:
Biggest political crisis in decades and the BNP took just 6% of the total vote. And they only took that by turning themselves inside out and presenting themselves as a party with 'traditional British values' and denying what they essentially are. They had to become the UKIP of the delipadiated manufacturing towns. This wont represent a base camp they can work from, it'll just usher in a split in its ranks between the new breed of politicos who'll get a taste for the Euro gravy and the knuckle draggers who just want to smash an immigrants face to bits. Complete jokes destined to alway be riven with schisms.

Their problem is they're still seen by many as being born from the ashes of the National Front. I don't see a huge future for the BNP. However, I do think there is a danger that a new far-right party will emerge, one that is a little bit more voter-friendly and doesn't have those nazi links.

The Danske Folkeparti came into existence in just 1995, and yesterday got nearly 17% of the vote.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_People's_Party

I used to think Britian was different, that it assimilated extremism within either conservative or labour parties. But I'm not so sure now. I think there's an opening for "respectable" xenophobic party.

Forside - Dansk Folkeparti - dit land, dit valg

You'll see from the homepage, there is virtually no information on the website. That's mainly because there supporters don't really "do" politics.

DF also sit in government, due to a power-sharing ticket, and help prop up the ruling Venstre party. Bizarrely, venstre translates to "left", although politically you would describe Venstre as centre-right.

danzante · June 8, 2009

I didn't vote, why? cos I don't trust anyone in politics so who do I vote for? I've had a lot of bullshit from MPs when we wanted a house...it's a long story but most are bent.

So are you telling me to vote for the sake of it? :huh:

davek · June 8, 2009

Nebbiolo said:
Their problem is they're still seen by many as being born from the ashes of the National Front. I don't see a huge future for the BNP. However, I do think there is a danger that a new far-right party will emerge, one that is a little bit more voter-friendly and doesn't have those nazi links.

The Danske Folkeparti came into existence in just 1995, and yesterday got nearly 17% of the vote.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_People's_Party

I used to think Britian was different, that it assimilated extremism within either conservative or labour parties. But I'm not so sure now. I think there's an opening for "respectable" xenophobic party.

Forside - Dansk Folkeparti - dit land, dit valg

You'll see from the homepage, there is virtually no information on the website. That's mainly because there supporters don't really "do" politics.

DF also sit in government, due to a power-sharing ticket, and help prop up the ruling Venstre party. Bizarrely, venstre translates to "left", although politically you would describe Venstre as centre-right.

There's some draconian immigration laws in place there! I notice they were put in place before the recession took hold, so an explanation along the lines of the doubling of unemployment levels leading to a fight for scarce resources doesn't quite fit.

It seems to me, though, that over here we have all parties (including the BNP) fighting for the centre ground rather than trying to outdo each other by more divisive appeals. In fact, across Europe the Centre-Right has done very well in this last Euro election. People are looking for familiar territory and values. There's an ideological vacuum at the heart of politics at the moment: the liberal-market philosophy that's underpinned politics for so long is in disarray but a challenge to it is still some way off - as the pasting that some of the new Left parties took last night demonstrates. There's no doubt thatvoters are looking inward. We're in a period of flux, and the far Right are nibbling away at the support of mainstream party support, but the lunatics are still some way off from taking over the asylum just yet.

Azzbot · June 8, 2009

At least we will get English contestants back in Big Brother......

Nebbiolo · June 8, 2009

davek said:
There's some draconian immigration laws in place there! I notice they were put in place before the recession took hold, so an explanation along the lines of the doubling of unemployment levels leading to a fight for scarce resources doesn't quite fit.

It seems to me, though, that over here we have all parties (including the BNP) fighting for the centre ground rather than trying to outdo each other by more divisive appeals. In fact, across Europe the Centre-Right has done very well in this last Euro election. People are looking for familiar territory and values. There's an ideological vacuum at the heart of politics at the moment: the liberal-market philosophy that's underpinned politics for so long is in disarray but a challenge to it is still some way off - as the pasting that some of the new Left parties took last night demonstrates. There's no doubt thatvoters are looking inward. We're in a period of flux, and the far Right are nibbling away at the support of mainstream party support, but the lunatics are still some way off from taking over the asylum just yet.

Paradoxically, the centre and centre-right lost votes here, and the socialists and the far-right took them. SF, which is the Danish socialist party, took about 17%, about equal with the votes that the far-right DF got. But socialism here is far more acceptable than in the UK. The recession actually drives many people to it, rather than away from it. This is probably because there is a socialist ethic underpinning the state as well as the public consciousness, which is accepted even by the right-wing. In part, this is due to the relative humble beginnings of people here. Most Danes are working-class, or middle-class if you prefer to pontificate in a grandiose manner. There aren't many rich or poor people.

As long as you're a citizen, you can't be a poor in DK, and that is because we have strong unions, and high welfare benefits. Now the recession has set in, people are worried they could lose that, so many go from the centre and the centre-right to the socialists, seeing it as time to reaffirm their socialist principles.

The far-right thing (DF) is only about immigration. People are scared of foreigners. Surprisingly, the places where the far-right really does well, tend to be in areas with only modest numbers of new Danes (like Frederikshavn, where I doubt more than 5% of the population isn't originally from Denmark). I think the same often happens in the UK. I remember the BNP doing well in Sunderland , which is probably one of the UK's whitest towns.

NeoNaoNeo · June 8, 2009

Incredibly embarrased to live in the North West today.

davek · June 8, 2009

Nebbiolo said:
Paradoxically, the centre and centre-right lost votes here, and the socialists and the far-right took them. SF, which is the Danish socialist party, took about 17%, about equal with the votes that the far-right DF got. But socialism here is far more acceptable than in the UK. The recession actually drives many people to it, rather than away from it. This is probably because there is a socialist ethic underpinning the state as well as the public consciousness, which is accepted even by the right-wing. In part, this is due to the relative humble beginnings of people here. Most Danes are working-class, or middle-class if you prefer to pontificate in a grandiose manner. There aren't many rich or poor people.

This touches on something that the Labour government here, post crash, couldn't grasp (or stomach, principally because they're all marketeers with the exception of a rump based around the Compass Group): that the falure of the system and its reliance more than ever now on the public purse to bale it out should have been the green light to adopt policies such as renationalisation and a bold commitment to welfareism in all its guises. In other words, using the stimulus packages to underpin a back to the future approach that could have recaptured some lost ground on the left and which has appeal for working class communities. Instead, they failed to do that and allowed the mood of the nation to be hijacked by the Tories (who haven't got a ******* clue, and are basically unelectable gibbering idiots at the best of times) to orchestrate a media campaign to use that anti-status quo energy for witch hunts against politicians claiming expenses.

Nebbiolo said:
As long as you're a citizen, you can't be a poor in DK, and that is because we have strong unions, and high welfare benefits. Now the recession has set in, people are worried they could lose that, so many go from the centre and the centre-right to the socialists, seeing it as time to reaffirm their socialist principles.

The far-right thing (DF) is only about immigration. People are scared of foreigners. Surprisingly, the places where the far-right really does well, tend to be in areas with only modest numbers of new Danes (like Frederikshavn, where I doubt more than 5% of the population isn't originally from Denmark). I think the same often happens in the UK. I remember the BNP doing well in Sunderland , which is probably one of the UK's whitest towns.

It's generally the way isn't it? People fear the unknown rather than what they have knowledge of.

All told, mate, you better get out of that place before they start turning on Evertonians. The Viking hordes will come for you after they've dealt with the Muslims and the Communists. (y)

SuitsBlueX2 · June 8, 2009

Very concerning that they will now get to rub shoulders with certain other like minded individuals in the european halls of power. And at the celebration of 65 years since D day. Sickening.